WATCH: Gunfight Between Firefighter And Neighbor Caught On Camera

Indianapolis firefighter Dean Keller won a gunfight with his neighbor.

Indianapolis firefighter Dean Keller won a gunfight with his neighbor.

VIDEO: Indianapolis Firefighter Dean Keller Wins Gunfight With Neighbor

Johnson County, Indiana – A gunfight between Indianapolis firefighter, Dean Keller, and his neighbor was captured on surveillance video at the firefighter’s residence (video below.)

The video was released by the prosecutor’s office on Wednesday, along with the announcement that the firefighter, Dean Keller, 49, will not be facing charges for putting four bullets into the chest of his neighbor, Jeffery Weigle, 59.

The video was strong evidence that Keller acted in self-defense.

The confrontation all started over a fence that borders their property. Jeffery Weigle had been in an ongoing dispute with Keller about the fence. In the video, Weigle could be heard addressing Keller, “Hey a**hole,” as he tries to alter the fence.

“I see you got the s**t out,” Weigle continued, referring to Dean Keller’s wife.

Weigle then got on his riding lawnmower as Keller went to inspect what his neighbor did to the fence. At that moment, Weigle backed up his lawnmower and drew his gun.

Keller reacted by drawing his own weapon and putting four rounds into Weigle’s chest as they exchanged gunfire.

Jeffery Weigle was transported to the hospital where he remains in critical condition. Prosecutors are still working to determine what charges he will face if he survives.

RTV6 reports that Jeffery Weigle only rents a single room at the property that he was mowing. The owner of the property he rents at said that Weigle took her gun without her knowledge and used the gun in the altercation.

Would you be ready if your crazy neighbor pulled a gun on you? Are you the crazy neighbor? We’d like to hear from you. Please let us know in the comments.

You can see the video of the gunfight below. WARNING – Graphic Content:

  • Tomas Pajaros

    legally right but not sure I agree with the quick trigger. don’t we need to try a littler harder to avoid gunfire?

    (life member NRA)

    • quartell34

      You life wasnt in danger, his was. It is easy to Monday night quarter back when it isnt your life on the line.

    • Rick

      As soon as the other guy took out his gun his life was in danger. IMHO, he didnt have to avoid gunfire, by the other guy taking out his gun it negated any negotiations or chances.

    • Dexter Morgano

      quartell34 is exactly right, you weren’t in that situation, Tomas, so you have no grounds to judge that man’s actions. Unless you were there, your opinion is nothing more than empty words.

      • Stanley B. Manley

        That’s probably why the DA didn’t want this to go to a jury, right? NONSENSE Morgano! You did notice there was a video running, right?

        • Dexter Morgano

          Your point is mute, Stan, and lacks common sense. The CAPS LOCK really didn’t help your case either. Nice try though.

    • Chad

      When you are on your own property and not acting aggressive towards a person…but that person still draws a gun on you…what do you think his intent is? The old guy wasn’t being threatened. He had NO reason to pull the gun other than he had bad intentions. The firefighter had no duty to stand there and wait to see what the loon was going to do with the gun. He obviously felt his life was in immediate danger so he defended it.

      • TedStyle

        “I was just going to scare him with a loaded gun. Then point it at him. And shoot him. But I wasn’t trying to kill him.”

        • Sbadge697

          Because, ‘I knew those 4 rounds in his chest couldn’t kill that heartless motherf**ker!!!’…and, see, I was right!!!

    • bobby_gilbert

      Tomas, you’d be dead if you hesitated.

    • TedStyle

      Just because you’re a life member NRA, doesn’t mean you know shit. Any dumbass can buy the membership.

      • Jack Boots

        Right? Because the nra was founded to teach gun safety and marksmanship after the civil war.
        They obviously have nothing to do with the safe deployment of firearms./sarc
        look, lots of nra members look to de escalate..I know I do but he wasn’t there.

        • TedStyle

          Well, I think he put the camera there because this guy has probably pulled his gun on him before or had many pointless and aggressive altercations already. Which is why he had his gun on him and drew so fast. Remember, the dude pulled his gun after he acknowledged his wife was out there too.

    • Jack Boots

      No. After a gun is drawn, there isn’t much chance of avoiding a gunfight unless you want to be a victim.

    • OldNYFirefighter

      It all depends if you want to live another day. If someone points a weapon at you, you better figure he is going to use it. Your life has a 50/50 chance ending right then & there. Second guessing in this scenario will get you a funeral sooner than later.

    • Froghill

      Tomas Pajoras

      A good rule/motto for Americans to live by is “If you raise a weapon or fist to an innocent, then there is a good chance that the expiration date on your birth certificate will get punched”

      The guy on the mower raised a weapon to an innocent, his “Expiration Date” didn’t get punched, well not yet anyway.
      If the mower guy avoids the reaper and lives, then gets out of prison, I am sure he will know exactly what that rule/motto means for the rest of his miserable life

      ETA: What does being a life member of the NRA have to do with anything in your statement or this story? Also Tom, how do you feel about damn near everyone owning an AR-15 or multiple AR-15s?

      I am also a proud member of the NRA, have been a member before I ever shot a firearm as my dad was a life member and bought mine and my brother’s memberships when we were kids

  • Itsthewater

    The guy on the mower drew first. What did you want him to do, wait until the guy shot first?? This is a reminder to all, DO NOT draw your weapon if you don’t intend to use it. Guy walking was clearly within his rights to protect himself.

  • chuck334

    Classic case of ” I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by six “.

    • DinoBeliver

      It’s actually a case of, “Is it really a good idea for every idiot to be walking around with a pistol”? Did that guy really need 16 shots to “defend himself”? If I were on the jury I’d convict him. Gun was never pointed at him and he gave no warning before shooting. Complete overreaction by a guy who couldn’t wait to kill someone “legally”.

      • SoDepolorable71

        you are an idiot. When some nut case pulls a gun on you, baffle him with your bs, won’t save your life but will make a great funny story.

      • Nelson Hallford

        You have to be short 99 bricks on a load of 100

      • Katrina

        There won’t be a jury because the firefighter isn’t being charged. Also, he doesn’t need to give a “warning” before defending himself, and didn’t fire 16 shots. Odd that you would think defending one’s self is “overreacting”.
        You, Hannibalektr and the old man could be triplets with the same mentality. Each one a full bubble of center.

        • DinoBeliver

          Watch the video and count the shots. My statement about being the jury was if there was a trial. If you don’t see this as a simple execution then I wouldn’t want you as a neighbor.

          • Katrina

            The old man on the mower also fired. Can’t tell exactly how many were fired by each. So you ASSumed they were all from the fireman? That is rich. LOL.
            Are you trying to jinx the old man in critical condition by calling this an execution? Or is that part of your all knowing, all seeing super powers that you are certain he will expire?

          • DinoBeliver

            We’ll see what happens as far as his health goes.

          • James Lo Tempio

            We’ll see what happens? What a good Samaritan you are. Its that same lack of morals and empathy that cause you to believe in pro choice too I bet. Liberal disease.

          • DinoBeliver

            You have no idea what my “choice” beliefs are and the two issues aren’t related. Using your logic I would be in favor of killing the old man on the lawnmower. Maybe you’re the one who has no value for life. Anyone who thinks it’s acceptable for someone to get shot over a fence dispute is an absolute idiot.

          • Cindy

            Who cares what his health is… the man was having an ongoing argument with this neighbor… he doesn’t even own the property he’s mowing, and he’s a nut job… I would also arm myself if I thought there was the slightest risk this guy might try something. But of course, I’m betting that you expect the police are going to come to your aid in the time of need and save your ass…

          • DinoBeliver

            If you think your crazy neighbor is going to kill you……STAY AWAY FROM HIM!

          • Cindy

            He was actually doing that… from his own property… minding his own business… but this person found it necessary to mess with a gate that wasn’t his on property that wasn’t his… so who’s infringing on who, here? And you would prefer that I just let someone come over and walk all over my property, damage it, or otherwise destroy it? Sorry, not happening…

          • DinoBeliver

            He wasn’t “minding his own business”. Let’s be truthful here. He was looking for trouble. Also, I certainly hope that you don’t shoot anyone who “walks over your property at the border of the property line. Just make sure……If an infant crawls on your property across the line from your neighbors house…….aim low. Crawling children are really difficult to hit because they’re so close to the ground. Make sure you reload a fresh magazine after you kill the little son of a bitch who crawled on your land because sometimes their kin can get a little pissed…..and they might also be so paranoid that they feel the need to carry a handgun all the time…………

          • DinoBeliver

            So go and get in a dispute and shoot him. That makes sense.

          • Floyd Brown

            Dumb ass hole… Pull your head out of your ass dude.. A man pulls a gun on you, you shoot until that SOB is either dead or can not shoot back..

          • DinoBeliver

            I’m an asshole but you’re saying it’s perfectly ok to shoot another man for simply pulling his gun. You are just a psychopath who can’t wait for the opportunity to kill someone. I fear for that person and if it ever happens you’ll remember me. Jurys can be funny when it comes to “self defense” especially when there’s a recording.

          • Cindy

            What part of self defense don’t you understand? The fact that this guy had been giving this guy a hard time is evident by the placement of the game camera and his actions. He is clearly the initiator here… not the fireman. And any jury would see it that way as well. He sure isn’t the nice fuzzy kind old man you’d like him to be.

          • Jay Smith

            Dino you are seriously out of touch with reality. The old man did draw actually, but do you know how quickly someone can draw, shoot, and kill you in that situation? Far too quick for you to stand around and weigh the options. As for the ironic “stay away from your crazy neighbor” comment, go ahead and look up the definition of neighbor. Please.

            There’s only one reason that dumb old fuck brought a pistol with him to cut the grass and he made the wrong choice that day. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The fireman was more than prepared with the camera/gun so there was probably a history between the two and who knows what was said before hand.

            With all that being said, Dino, please take that small dose of logic and stop typing your “shoulda, woulda, coulda” knowitall bullshit into comment sections everywhere. Thanks.

            -Everyone

          • DinoBeliver

            So the “lawn cutting old man” was wrong to have a gun with him……Yet, the “fireman” (everybody loves firemen) also had a pistol with him to do his gardening………..I guess the old man must be wrong. The only problem is that the Firman set up the video. That’s called PREMEDITATION. He knew he was going to have an issue. He should have called the authorities and had them handle it, instead of putting up his “game camera” and shooting his next door neighbor. I guess the human being cutting the lawn next door is just “GAME”…….

          • Jay Smith

            I cant help but laugh at you. Sorry about your unfortunate mind, Dino. Enjoy your remaining years 🙂

          • disqus_wridrzMl8k

            (1)Never pull a gun unless your going to use it , old man did , (2) better be prepared to take shooter down

      • tinner666

        In a since, you are right An idiot stole, or at least misappropriated a firearm and got shot for his trouble. When he gets out of the hospital, and then, out of jail, he may think it over before trying that again.
        All in all, a good shoot and no innocent person harmed.

        • DinoBeliver

          I guess what you’re saying is that one gun owner failed to secure their weapon so another idiot could easily steal it and carry it and almost get himself killed, if he hasn’t passed by now.

          • Jack Boots

            No, a man stole a firearm. You have no proof that it wasn’t secured.

          • DinoBeliver

            The proof that it wasn’t sufficiently secured is that he got possession of it. How much would you like to bet that the owner doesn’t even have a gun safe.

          • Jay Smith

            Dude really who tf are you and how do you know everything?

          • DinoBeliver

            Dude, the guy was in possession of the stolen. If it had been properly secured he wouldn’t have had it.

          • Jay Smith

            So where was it?

          • Jay Smith

            What if it was locked in a gun safe and he destroyed the safe or cracked it? Is that still the gun owners fault?

            You’re either a really good troll or a really shitty person, I can’t tell.

      • mcd1948

        So, based solely on the video you’ve decided the shooter was guilty before hearing any other evidence at all. It would be better for the likes of you and everyone else if you NEVER sat on a jury.

        • DinoBeliver

          The old man pulled the pistol and it was pointed at the ground. The other man pulled his gun and advanced. He fired sixteen shots, some while the man was already on the ground. He’s a shit shot because apparently he only hit him four times. I guess the lawnmower was a threat too…..I wonder how navy time he hit that. I never realized that in the world of some “gun people” that merely pulling a pistol was a death sentence.

          • mcd1948

            You have no concept at all of the criminal justice system. None whatsoever.

          • DinoBeliver

            I gess thats why the NYPD promoted me to detective. Because I’m stupid.

          • mcd1948

            You said it. Not me.

          • Curtis Elliott

            That says it all NYPD, and yes you are stupid.

          • James Lo Tempio

            You don’t even have to pull your gun, did you know that? Flash it in a threatening way, put your hand on it, many other ways of being a real threat. It would be interesting what you could do if you had a brain.

      • Jack Boots

        If you were on the jury, you would get a real lesson.
        FROM A HOLSTERED POSITION, .93 seconds or 93/100th of a second to draw and shoot 3 rounds
        https://youtu.be/O8QrWm3Acc0

        The man was openly hostile. He called the young man’s wife a slut in order to elicit a response.
        When that didn’t work he started bothering the man’s gate. When the man went to examine the gate, he DREW A FIREARM.
        Are you so ignorant of firearms that you don’t understand?
        As soon as he unholstered the STOLEN FIREARM, he was in a gun fight.

        • DinoBeliver

          You’re right. Anyone who unholsters a weapon needs to be shot at least ten times…..Don’t take cover. Don’t retreat. Don’t talk to them. Advance (which the Fireman did) and open fire….FIRE AT WILL!……KEEP FIRING TILL HE STOPS MOVING. Certainly worth it over a fence dispute…………You sir are a special kind of stupid…….I’m surprised you’re not in Prison.

          • Jack Boots

            Right. I’m stupid.
            How many nra certiff cations in use of force so you have?
            Hoe many hours of legal instruction concerning firearms?
            Have you ever been in a gun fight?
            Have you ever taken your lawyer to lunch specifically so you can ask him legal questions pertaining to use of lethal force?
            Do you know the 4 legal requirementsthat have to be satisfied before you can employ lethal force in self defense?
            Do you know if it’s legal to use lethal force in defense of OTHERS?
            Speak up, son. Don’t look at your shoes and mumble when your betters speak to you.
            Give us ALL in this thread your bonafides. ..better yet, what’s your nra member number?

          • James Lo Tempio

            You sir, are my hero.

          • Dan Gesegnet

            Stay between the threat and the person you are protecting.
            Draw…
            Aim…
            Attempting to de-escalate the situation from the start.
            But if necessary shoot until the threat is immobilized.
            By the way… waiting for the other guy to shoot usually ends badly for you.

          • DLNoob

            Once a weapon comes into play in a situation like this….. There is only one way to deescalate.

          • DLNoob

            If someone pulls a firearm out during an altercation….. They have the means (ability), opportunity and intent to do you harm. Action is faster than reaction, ALWAYS. If he didn’t want to get into a fire fight with the firefighter….. He would have never drawn the weapon. To much of this BS argument over “talking it out” or “retreating” is what gets innocent people killed. While he was walking to HIS fence on HIS property the old bat drew a weapon without provocation. The firefighter drew, fired while backing up. He advanced while the fight was ongoing, fired and then retreated to cover. While this was a tactical screw up, it was to disable the threat. In most states you no longer have to retreat to use deadly force. This is where the Stand Your Ground laws come into play.

            You would be the special kind of stupid that will always be the victim and never the warrior.

      • Floyd Brown

        You stupid ass hole.. A warning shot when a man pulls a gun on you .. You dumb ass snowflake.. Catch a damn brain…

        • DinoBeliver

          I never said anything about a “warning shot”. learn to read. If a person unholsters their weapon, you pull yours and aim…….then you yell” DROP THE GUN”……In the Police Department we used to scream, “POLICE DON’T MOVE!”…….It’s amazing how fast a man will drop a gun when you have the drop on them. Of course it’s easier to shoot at him and unload your magazine………Then when the smoke clears you have to justify your actions. If you think this old man deserved to get shot, you’re a coward.

          • Thomas Atkinson-Maniece

            Story up walt disney,i don’t believe a word of what you are saying,i saw the gun pointed Up for starters,the NRA guy above seems far more clear about the laws and the situation,you’re no detective if a citizen has more knowledge about the issue,stop making up stories because you got your ass handed to you over your ridiculous,speculative,irrelevant statements,you just want an argument,unfortunately you’re not equipped for one.You know nothing.

          • DinoBeliver

            The NRA is a business in the business of taking hard earned money from gun owners. Have you bought insurance from them? That’s what they do. They take your money. I know nothing. How many homicide trials have you/ or Mr NRA testified in? How many robbery cases? How many assault cases?……

      • Curtis Elliott

        You give idiots a bad name.

  • Steve Ippolito

    4 shots to the chest…and he gets up and casually walks off?

    • avtx1300

      Needs a larger cal. weapon.

      • Gluke

        Not necessarily, sometimes these things happen. Do a google search for Sgt. Timothy Gramins. He’s a cop who shot a bank robber 14 times with a .45, and the guy was still fighting. It took 3 shots to the head to put him down.

        • kbiggn

          Cocain dose crazy shit !

          • Damoncord

            PCP does too.

        • Dave79

          I think I remember that. Wasn’t it in the bank’s vestibule? Ha ha…let the good times roll.

      • MadDogVAQ33

        He would not have walked away from four rounds of .45 ACP Ranger Talons out of my weapon.

        • Jason Doane

          No such thing as “stopping power” from a handgun. Highway Patrol put 19 rounds .45 in a suspect 2 in head 7 in chest, and the guy kept coming. for 2 min till he bled out.
          Rifles have stopping power , pistols dont/ Shot placement, Cardi Vascular or Central Nervous system and as many rounds as you can.

          • Sbadge697

            Yeah, but, carrying around my Barret .50 gonna wear my a** out, while mowing the lawn with my s**t working in the garden and sh*t!

          • LEE

            nice! lol

          • MadDogVAQ33

            That incident was with HP using 9mm pistols, not .45s. The suspect was a biker wearing a heavy leather jacket and the jacket stopped the rounds. The two rounds to the head were what finally stopped him. Get your “facts” straight. The .45 ACP is a man-stopper that was developed to kill Filipinos when .38s wouldn’t even slow them down.

          • thejerk

            You’re just repeating FUDD bs you’ve heard at gun shows or on tv. Handgun rounds are weak unless they hit a vital organ just right.

          • John Lime III

            The .45ACP round in the 1911 pistol was developed specifically to combat Filipino insurgents after the US took possession of the islands after the Spanish American war. The standard .38 caliber revolvers were ineffective against the warriors hopped up on a local drug. Many soldiers and Marines were found dead with empty sidearms and hacked to death by machete. 2-4 rounds of .45ACP proved enough to stop the attackers. This is documented by the US Army, US Navy and US Marine Corps, all of which had troops on the ground and lost troops to locals.

          • VAGLOCKGIRL

            You probably wouldn’t think my .40 cal hollowpoints were weak when I double tap your ass from say 10 feet away, as they were. The old man wouldn’t of moved again, and he was the one that kept firing his weapon over and over in the air, another dumbass reckless act I hope he is charged for…

          • thejerk

            This big talk bravado is just that, big talk. People have indeed survived .40 cal. http://thesurvivalsummit.com/blog/2016/1/23/9mm-or-40-caliber-your-answer-here

          • Bradley Scott Campbell

            9mm stopped by a leather jacket? lmao sure it did

          • Lynn B

            I don’t know but the Glock works well for me

          • John Lime III

            Depends on the rifle, the distance to the target and the projectile. My green tip M855 rounds are not man stoppers by any means unless I get 5-6 hits in vital areas. My TTSX rounds for the same gun will stop a guy pretty quick with a vital area hit, but they expand. Any vital area hit with my .308 is a fight stopper.

        • John T. Clark

          Sure Wyatt, whatever you say. Back in the day, Alameda County Deputy Sheriff Kramer put six Federal 158 grain .357 magnum rounds into the chest of a bank robbery suspect at point blank range in San Lorenzo CA and the suspect continued to fight. Unless you hit them in the head there is no such thing as instant incapacitation. Want more? 1968 FBI shootout in Florida.

        • DLNoob

          You obviously know nothing about weapons or the effects of being shot. People don’t fly back 6 feet and die on the spot after being shot by a hand gun like they do in the movies. The human body is extremely resilient and naturally adjusts to continue the fight. This is the same reason why when you remove a bandage after a surgery to any part of the body you get sick. The body forces blood to your vital organs and increases Adrenalin in the anticipation on trauma.

          • MadDogVAQ33

            They did surgery on my knee and took the bandage off the same day and I didn’t get sick…
            I know about the effects of being shot…my son was shot in the leg with a .45 ACP.

          • DLNoob

            Yeah because it makes sense for a Doctor or their staff to remove the protective covering over a surgical incision before it has began to heal. As someone who has had several surgeries in their life with the most recent being arthroscopic shoulder surgery, I am calling BS on this claim. The Doctor did not remove the initial bandaging until three days post-surgery. This is to allow for the wound to heal while protected from the elements.

            Your “son” got shot in the leg huh? I call BS on this claim as well….

            You might want to do research on the .45 ACP round before trying to act as an expert. There is a reason why most Law Enforcement agencies have replaced it with .40 or even some 9mm weapons. It was proven to be less reliable, less accurate and have no more stopping power compared to .40 S&W. While the cavity may be slightly larger, the after effects are relatively the same. Plus, the limited amount of ammunition that can be carried with a .45 ACP weapon was putting officers at a serious disadvantage due to the other issues listed above.

          • DinoBeliver

            Don’t argue with MadDog……Chances are he’s an old Marine who was taught in the Marines that a 45 is the best gun in the world. We all know that everything they teach you in the Marines is the best information available.

          • James Lo Tempio

            Well it sure as hell beats the moronic dribble you are spewing.

          • Sarge McVey

            I carry 44 Rounds of .45 ACP with me every day, of that 44 Rounds 20 are Hydoshock rounds an 24 are JHP. I am in the process of getting two more 10 Round Magazines for my .45 ACP. I have also carried at different times the Taurus Raging Bull .454 Causal 5 in the weapon and another 50 in individual belt loops. And one more tidbit of Information I am 73 years young, Retired from the Army in 2003 with just over 40 years of Military Service.

          • DLNoob

            Well, if you were Army than you would know that the standard load out (to some extent) for the M9 is three magazines with 45 9mm rounds (Depending on the MOS, Post and Unit 46 with one in the tube) This is vs. 11 rounds in four magazines as you suggest. BUT since you are in the process of squiring “two more 10 Round Magazines” I am going to assume that you carry 10 round magazines and the math doesn’t make sense. This is unless you carry 2 10s and 2 12s….. But what about the one in the tube and why not 4 12s? Either way you slice it, it takes more space and weighs more.

            The discussion is about overall effectiveness You might want to re-read my comment as the number of rounds was an addition to the other factors.

            And one more tidbit of information….. I have known plenty of service members from ALL branches who know jack-all about weapons other than from basic training and range days. I have also known a lot of LEOs who know jack-all as well. Just because you served as I have, doesn’t mean you have any more information on the subject than anyone else. More times than not…. People who throw their service records into a discussion to try and convince others that they know more tend not to know any of the facts they are discussing.

          • Sarge McVey

            I have 3 eight round magazines that came with the firearm and two ten round magazines that I purchase Separately, now do the math.

          • Sarge McVey

            Oh and I carried the Colt 1911A1 as a personal back up side arm in Nam and yes I have used in other then range qualification, which incidentally I qualified Expert with the 1911A1, M16, M14, M1 Carbine, and M1 Garand during my 40 plus years in the Army DLNob, and I am 73 years old and yes I do carry every day from the time I get up in the morning until I go to bed at night. The weight of the weapon and total number of Magazines with ammunition does not bother me at all. I carried more then that in Nam when you include the basic load for the M16, so it is no big deal.

          • DLNoob

            Okay so you carry 4 extra mags? I guess when accuracy or effectiveness is an issue this could be understood. I personally never carry more than 1 extra since anything more is a liability. Depending on what I am carrying it can range from 25 (2 12s w/ 1 in the tube) .40 S&W down to 17 9mm rounds. Though I am more concerned with concealment, effectiveness and accuracy. Less worried about the POP factor that the .45 ACP beats everything else with.

            I applaud you for legally carrying. I wish more Americans would.

            Anyone who has ever served knows that range qualification in the military is about getting shots on target, not accurate shots on target. So expert qualification is quite easy to accomplish. It doesn’t matter where on the target you hit.

            I would go on about all the weapons and weapon systems I have qualified with in the Army also, but it really has no baring on the topic since we aren’t discussing those systems.

            I am curious though… What was the combat load for the M16A1 in Vietnam? I have wondered this since I was enlisted, but never researched it. Since you guys had full auto, but 20 round mags, it had to be a crazy number of mags. I do know that this was the reason why the A2 was developed since too many rounds were being spent without positive contact. Accuracy was an issue.

          • Sarge McVey

            Basic load was 10 twenty round mags, five in each pouch, however many of us also carried another ten in a bandoleer as well as another 100 rounds in ten round stripper guides. The average soldier would carry as many rounds as he could because in some situations re-supply might be difficult.

          • Sarge McVey

            I carry the extra magazines because I never know the type of situation I may face and Combat taught me to be as prepared as I am physically able to be, and in lieu of the fact that my life has been threatened on more then one occasion since my retirement I believe in being as prepare as possible. I also have a wife and gran daughter living in my home that I must be concerned about their safety. Home invasions and car jackings by multiple persons are a fact of life today, as well as random shootings at folks just because they may be on the wrong street by in some instances multiple shooters, we today live in a very violent world and if we are not fully prepared to respond to it we will be carried by six folks. Anyone also who has not been in combat is not aware of the stress factor, and this is born out every day by our men an women serving in various hot spots in the world, if some one is shooting at you from behind cover you bloody well will not get him or her with your first or in many instances even you tenth or twelth shot, having served and been in combat I know this fact very well therefore I prepare.

          • DLNoob

            We are discussing personal carry, not home defense. If you only had 5 mags for any weapon you own in your house…. I would suggest more. Out and about on the town you will most likely never run into a situation that can be compared to combat. The closest being LEOs dealing with a person who has taken a fortified position. As someone who has seen it at both ends, home and abroad…. It is totally different. For me, it’s harder at home….. Emotionally and tactically. Here it’s normally over with in 10-20 seconds where in combat it could last hours/days. This is why I say it is more of a liability to carry more than one extra magazine for personal carry. Why give up mobility for something that you will most likely not need if deployed correctly. Accuracy and deployment are the most important factors when using deadly force. Not the size of the round or the number you have.

            In combat I understand the extra carry. My butt still hurts from the constant bruising from the extra 5.56 chains/drums and mags in my ass pack.

          • Sarge McVey

            Mine has never bothered me, I was a soldier and did my job as I was trained to do it.

          • Sarge McVey

            I travel around the state I live in to make appointments with Medical Professionals relating to issues of health, and in many instances I have to travel through some rather unsavory neighborhoods where others have been shot at or had attempts made to take their vehicles from them, such as Denver Co, and the surrounding cities. Therefore I carry as much ammunition that I can in order to handle any situation that I might encounter.

          • Sarge McVey

            Colorado limits the number of rounds you can have in a Magazine to not more than 15 for any weapon, it does not however limit the number of Magazines you can carry with you, LOL.

        • DinoBeliver

          Did you masturbate after you typed that comment?

      • Ray_Sears

        Or a lot better shot placement !

    • Sbadge697

      Guy might be an a-hole, but, he just took 4. rounds. to. the. chest. THEN, gets up and walks away. Why is it douchebags, like this, always seem to be the hardest to put down?

    • bryan denny

      tough man.no wonder his neighbor was armed.

    • Stanley B. Manley

      Tough old fart!!

    • Bo Reed

      Bullets don’t kill crazy, they kill organs. If you hit the heart or brain, you don’t have to rely on shock to keep them down.

      • Jack Boots

        Doing that on a moving target while you yourself are mocing is a hard thing to do…aim center mass and empty the magazine.

        • Bo Reed

          You’re not wrong about moving targets, but if you’re unloading your magazine, you better either have another, or a quick escape. This video shows what can happen when all your rounds don’t put em down for good. If you can afford a moment to line up a shot and end it, you might be better off taking it.

          On the other hand, if you’ve got open field behind you, you may just need a head start and just need to put them down for a moment. Not every instance allows for an escape, though. And bullets, even big ones and/or a lot of them, don’t guarantee a kill.

          • Jack Boots

            Speed is fine, accuracy is final…

    • jennifer

      I know.. tough old bird.
      I would have felt threatened by the guys actions, I know that.
      The gun came out and up. Tha’ts enough for me.
      I thought some of those shots came from the renters gun too.
      If not, that was probably overkill.
      However, the firefighters adrenalin probably kept that finger moving…

      • DinoBeliver

        Adrenalin? Really?……..How many shots did the “fireman” actually fire? Why such a delay with the last few rounds? Sounds like they were finishing shots while the old timer was already on the ground. Luckily he thought he was aiming at a fire with a hose and didn’t use his sights. He only had four hits. Shameful from that range…..

        • Jack Boots

          If the man is still moving, he is a threat. You have no concept of how self defense laws work. But do go on!!

          • James Lo Tempio

            I would be happy if he stfu, he is hurting my head.

    • Alice Severson

      I noticed he walked off too, how could that happen. The firefighter was not using a 357, I’d bet.

  • Ray Peters

    I was not there but I have to ask. All those rounds down range and 4 hit home and the guy gets up and walks away MF’ing the Fireman? Bigger is better. He is lucky. If the old guy can get up and walk away he could have just as easily picked his gun back up and finished the fight. Small calibers will kill but not fast enough in a situation like this. Even a good .380 should have dropped the guy and never get back up. As others have noted “JMHO”

    • DeplorableFromNY

      Exactly what I was thinking Ray. If I’m carrying my .380, I always have it loaded with hollow points and bring an extra clip. I couldn’t believe it when the old loon got up, cussed “MF” and casually walked away.

      • Stanley B. Manley

        Don’t bring a .380 to a gun fight.

        • John Degel

          You can if you know what you’re doing.

  • Sbadge697

    Man, I’d hate to live next door to them f**kers! “NO KIDS, WE CANNOT COOKOUT THIS WEEKEND, NEIGHBORS ARE HOME”!

  • BB

    There you have it folks, winner of the internet “Premeditated self defense” . You may pickup your idiot award in Chicago – State St./Garfield Blvd

    • Jack Boots

      That was funny because it was true!!

  • EyeNevaKnew

    “backed off?”

    The old dude pulled a gun. Not a knife, didn’t pick up a rock, he pulled a G U N!

    Can you outrun a bullet or bullets?

    Didn’t think so.

  • Danya Mahota

    What you’re saying just doesn’t matter. The guy filmed it because he was aware this old codger was so unpredictable and dangerous. “Oh, I see you got that slut out there. It is not uncommon for people that feel threatened to a) record preemptively and b) carry a means to defend oneself. The old man drew his pistol, plain and simple. You do that in the middle of an argument, and you better use it before you get killed. Was the other guy ready to defend himself? Did he obviously have firearms training? Was her recording this in the event something escalated here after historical conflict? Yes – but that’s no crime. Brandishing a weapon will get you killed, end of story.

  • Just A Thought

    Did you ever stop to think that the camera was set up on the area of the fence due to prior or ongoing damage occurring? I have multiple cameras at my home and four are specifically targeted at areas where incident have or may likely to occur – My driveway; My mailbox; and the front and rear entry of the house. Those four cameras provided a much clearer, zoomed-in focus than the remaining cameras which record the perimeter of the property. That camera isnt a sign of any premeditation, Its what normal utilize to document vandalism and other criminal mischief activity.

    Anyone who is going to carry a concealed weapon should spend quality time practicing and being proficient in their draw from its concealment point. No need waiting until one is forced to use his weapon only to find out he isnt able to draw and fire.

    Had the old coot left his firearm holstered/concealed and never brandished it, the firefighter would have never been forced to draw his weapon and cap the old fart. No, this wasnt premeditation, this is a textbook way of ensuring ones safety. When seconds count, 9-1-1 and the police response may be 10+ minutes away.

    #GoodShootin!

  • pissedpatriot

    Wow, did you figure that out all by yourself? Do you personally know these people that you know their thoughts and history? I think you should put the pipe down for a while and come back to earth.

  • Russell Page
  • OldNYFirefighter

    Fortunately my closest neighbor is 300 yards away & I know he doesn’t have any weapons.

  • Stanley B. Manley

    Deleted.

  • Stanley B. Manley

    Hanni, stop and think a minute, will ya? ALL self defense is “premeditated”! Whenever a person gets the idea into his head that he’ll defend himself that is an act of “premeditation”.

  • OldNYFirefighter

    You’re about a bright as a burned out bulb. I know people that CCW any time they leave their home. Yes they practice as they don’t want some innocent person injured if the SHTF. 90% of the young gang bangers don’t hit their intended target but often do hit innocent bystanders that had nothing to do with the original issue. What was this guy supposed to d let this guy shoot at him while he was trying to retreat? Evidently his wife was out there as well so he may have very well acted to protect her as well. His gun was holstered & that is the legal way to carry a weapon, it was loaded because an empty handgun is just a short handled club without ammo. Many people have insurance if they CCW because liberals don’t believe in self defense & will sue just because they can.

  • OldNYFirefighter

    Now all of a sudden you are a mind reader & know exactly what both parties were thinking. I have news for you, you un-holster a weapon & aim it at me you are going to get shot as I am not going to wait to see if you are going to shoot. That is already presumed when you brandished it. I can tell you have very little knowledge about firearms as you would not survive an encounter such as this you would be dead & waiting for the coroner to show up.

  • Itsthewater

    Makes no sense Hannible. When someone pulls a gun on you, you just have to assume that he wants to kill you. You have no time for “what if’s” or to worry about a lawsuit.

  • Jack Boots

    Nah, he wasn’t lookin foe a fight. That’s why he called the man’s wife a slut. That’s why he pulled a pistol on the man…
    You need to work on your event comprehension

  • Penciljockey

    Good points, I have to agree.

  • Jim Wahl

    You’re a special kind of stupid now aren’t you.

  • Are you sure?

    I once had a neighbor who accused me of reporting his drug activity to the police, got mad, pulled his gun on me. He never give any thought to my cousin coming up behind him who picked up a large rock and bashed him on the head. A few days later we gave his once nice 44 back to him to him after we had tried out my cousin’s new cut off caw on it about 10 times. Sadly about 2 years later this neighbor was killed in a car wreck and the family asked me to be one of the pallbearers because he didn’t have enough friends to carry him to his grave. I put away the hard feelings and did what needed to be done.

  • Kevin J. Reidy

    You grew up thinking flaking lead paint was potato chips, didn’t ya?

  • That folks, is why you keep on shooting….4 rounds into this old mans chest and he was still able to get up and walk away. Shoot and keep on shooting until your threat has expired.

  • Joe Gest

    You all could be in my shoes, I’m a disabled vet. Since 2006 moving into my house I got 2 a-holes that try to tell me how to cut my grass and do stuff in my yard etc…So one day while watering, the old guy(vet,disabled) speeds across the street in his scooter, stops at the curb, and tells me to turn down my music, i tell him to F-off because i just got back and my wife is at Md Anderson. He then decides to reach behind his scooter, pull out his silver S&W .45 in a black holster(i found this out later) and says he is going to blow me away. Cops come and let him back into his house because i said it was a 9mm, silver in holster. Time goes by, he is displaying his gun in garage, aiming, dry firing etc…I post a video of him getting his warrant served because he missed his court date. He gets a lawyer. The DA says we don’t have a case because you could be the bully because I posted the video of him getting arrested. Now if it was myself(im 48), a hispanic or black guy we would have landed in jail. The DA also asked my why didn’t i run into my garage. I actually said DUH, he is the one supposedly with PTSD. Do I want to give him a reason to pull the trigger, saying i was charging him. Also when i came back to yell at him not to go anywhere, he was 1 house down, the cops were coming. They said you didnt seem to be in fear of your life. Another DUH moment, I could dodge back into my garage if he decided to draw again. My kids were in the back yard playing and Dad might have been shot in the front yard I told them. The old bastard tells people I made it up, had the gun on him when they stopped him. And cuz they threw the case out he thinks he won. I told his lawyer if he ever draws again, he will die. Dont come on my property.

  • Claude Cash

    what was he shooting.probly 9mm full metal jacket.

  • John Degel

    Karma’s a bitch.

    • DinoBeliver

      So what do you think will happen too the murderer?

  • John Degel

    Although I respect your right to your opinion, I also think you have no idea what you’re talking about since you’re making a judgement on a brief snippet of tape.

  • John Degel

    Glad you’re an expert… I plan and practice every day for any eventuality. He was smart for being prepared. Can’t say as much for your “expert” judgement.

  • John Degel

    Wish I had your expert knowledge of what the man was thinking. Judging by your post name, would you suggest fava beans and a bottle of Chianti instead of a gun for the fireman?

  • John Degel

    Golly, I’m glad we have an expert like you to enlighten us.

  • DinoBeliver

    Some people train for the first opportunity they can get to be “justified”.

  • Nelson Hallford

    If you’re talking s**t and pull a gun, you might as well start shooting because if you don’t you will most likely be carried by 6

    • Jack Boots

      Right? I’m not going to ask him what he’s doing…

  • Nelson Hallford

    Actually you are the joke.

  • Sarge McVey

    Indiana Law, if you pull a weapon, before any physical threat toward you, you are the AGGRESSOR, an the other person has every legal right to use such measures as he deams in the immediate instance to defend himself and family. To many posters in here are attempting to second guess the decision of the County Prosecutor base on the law in another state or what they wish the law said.

  • Sarge McVey

    Try talking to a Lawyer familiar with Indiana Law, an remember that the Law was change while VP Pence was Governor of Indiana an he signed it.

  • Katrina

    The man on the lawnmower Did shoot but missed the fireman. You, DinoBeliver and the old man could be triplets. Same mentality. Pity.

  • DLNoob

    The mere presentation of deadly force is justification that the person means to do you harm. In several states the mere belief someone will do you serious bodily harm is justification for deadly force.

    It is illegal to pull a weapon out just to say “don’t fuck with me” The old fart thought that he could intimidate the fire fighter into retreating…. He thought wrong.

    When you go to a range and shoot at silhouettes, what do you think you are doing?

    1) You are practicing
    2) You are desensitizing yourself
    3) You are remaining proficient.

    If you don’t plan and practice for the day where you are forced to defend yourself with a weapon, you are more a liability to those around you than helpful. You are responsible for each and every round that is fired by your weapon.

  • Thomas Kain

    looked like a set up to me the guy set the cam up knowing he was going to shoot

  • Jack Boots

    AT A MINIMUM the old guy committed a felony when he stole the pistol.
    You do not know that man’s intentions.
    Your ‘feelings’ aren’t admissible in court.
    Facts, sir. Verifiable facts. Provable facts. These are the currency that courts deal in.
    FACT: old man made statements indicating a willingness for conflict by insulting the man’s wife.
    FACT: the old man attempted to destroy or change the man’s gate while armed illegally with a concealed pistol.
    FACT: the old man drew this weapon after backing his tractor up to move into position on his neighbor.
    You would be foolish to trust this old man to not shoot you.
    He has already stolen the gun to do it with, indicating premeditation.

  • Jack Boots

    That’s a lie

  • Dan Gesegnet

    Just to clarify a few a few things for those who say the fireman should’ve been prosecuted.
    Let’s start at the beginning, The fireman didn’t get a chance to safety deescalate the situation, and just leave.
    As he inspected and repaired the fence, the guy on the lawnmower pulled out a stolen gun and fired.

    Now the fireman has a right to take immediate response to protect himself and DUTY TO PROTECT HIS WIFE.
    They both did a “spray and pray” method, fortunately the fireman won.
    Nobody can critique this guys skill level unless they have been shot at from that range with a loved one standing behind them.

    This is why we train and familiar ourselves ladies and gentleman.

  • Sarge McVey

    Evidently the County Prosecutor does not agree with you the Fireman was not charged, and if he is not charged that means it was in the opinion of the Police and County Prosecutor a clear case of self defense under Indiana Law, give it a rest Hannibal, your argue may have solid ground to stand on in your state but in Indiana your standing on quicksand.

  • DLNoob

    WOW! This was one of the most ignorant responses I have read in a while. Hindsight (Videos included) is always 20/20, but in the heat of the moment it is fogged.

    Let us say that someone comes up to you and pulls a weapon out of their waistband and holds it while looking at you making threatening gestures…. Would you not assume that the person means to do you harm? That’s what happened here. The “don’t fuck with me” argument doesn’t have any grounds since there is also the “or else”

    You say the fireman should have walked away? Why? So he could have potentially been shot in the back?

    It’s not just the “DA in that state” that thinks he was within his rights. It’s also the US Constitution, State Constitution, Federal Law, State Law, US / State court cases and OVERWHELMING public opinion who believes that he was within his rights. You seem to be the ignorant minority with the opinion that he was in the wrong.

    Anyone who has been around weapons or have received any type of training with them knows that you do not pull a weapon to threaten, you pull it with the intent to use.

  • Mackie

    Talk about crazy, we had some friends that had a crazy neighbor, the neighbor came out and accused our friend the husband of cutting a rose off a bush that actually belonged to him, He pushed the husband down who was elderly and he had to go to the hospital. He was taken to court where he should have been arrested for assault and battery. The judge just gave him a fine. The suspect went home, and went over the back fence of my friends yard. At the time his wife was having a little chat with women in the neighborhood. They ran threw the house as he chased them . He killed one of the ladies running out the door and shot the wife in her bedroom killing her. Her husband had not arrived home from court yet. He was given a life sentence without parole.

  • Sarge McVey

    I am Retired after 40 plus years in Military Law Enforcement, I also have a degree in Criminal Justice and I taught Constitutional Law for Police at the US Army Military Police school in the Commissioned Officer Military Police Officer Basic Course, and the Commissioned Officer Advanced Course. So yes I know quite a bit about how the Law Works, I also know that a Prosecutor looks at the evidence tendered to his office by the police, and he also had the benefit of the video as did the police an the Prosecutor made a decision based on the evidence submitted and Indiana Law and decided not to charge the Fireman, base on the evidence and the law, not his personal opinion, nor the opinion of persons attempting to second guess him, BUT THE LAW. Like it or not the law of Indiana supported the Fireman as did the evidence.

    • eatmypho

      @sargemcvey:disqus If you actually had 40 years of law enforcement, had a law degree and also taught law but you can’t grasp what was written by Hannibal there, you must have done a piss poor job at all of the above. You are barking up the wrong tree. Hannibal never argued about the legal aspect. He was talking about the moral choices.

      I call bullshit on your experience. Or maybe alzheimer’s is setting in? Maybe morality is so far beyond some of you it doesn’t even compute so you ignore it.

      • Sarge McVey

        You can wait for moral choices all you want while the other guy puts lead into you, or you can act within the frame work of the law and defend yourself. If you or he want to wait be my guest, and you just might get carried by six. Moral choices have gotten more then one person dead.

  • Floyd Brown

    What in the hell did the dude shoot him with a BB gun or a 9mil?? Both are under powered and seem to just piss folks off.. At least the mower stopped…

  • Sarge McVey

    Or as often happens to those who try to walk away they get shot in the back, so much for moral choices. That is also why Florida enacted “Stand Your Ground Law.”

    • eatmypho

      if you must lean towards murder with whatever excuses you want to make, then be my guest.

      As far as “stand your ground” in Florida, it sounds like they are getting ready to make some changes there. They are calling it “unconstitutional”. Imagine that? Premeditated self defense might be unconstitutional. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-guns-idUSKBN19O2HY

      • Sarge McVey

        I read the decision of one (1) District Court Judge, and the Appeals Court has already put his decision on hold, which Reuters did not and is not likely to report. Have a nice day, oh and I o not see the defense of ones life to be murer and neither has any Federal Court up to and including the USSC.

  • Phillip Vivas

    These two have been feuding over a stupid fence. The firefighter set up a camera to catch the old man in the act of vandalism. Still don’t know why they couldn’t settle their differences peaceably. The old man showed his weapon but did no fire, at least I couldn’t see. The firefighter hit the old man with four shots in the chest but he got up afterwards like nothing. Then supposedly the firefighters wife was in the area, she was in danger of getting shot. The firefighter will not be charged and the old man is in the hospital recuperating from his wounds. The old man should move cause if there’s a next time he may not live through it

  • Cherise Kilpatrick

    I’m surprised the old man got up afterwards!
    Self defense is a must. Pulling out a gun is not ok as it’s a threat.

  • disqus_wridrzMl8k

    He needs to shoot better