Why Officers’ Cameras Were Off During The Justine Damond Shooting

Blue Lives Matter answers: Why were the cameras off during the Justine Damond shooting?

Blue Lives Matter answers: Why were the cameras off during the Justine Damond shooting?

Justine Damond Shooting – Why Body Cameras Were Off

Minneapolis, MN – The officer-involved shooting of 40-year-old Justine Damond on Saturday night is prompting many people to demand answers, and investigator’s aren’t yet being forthcoming with information.

One of the major points of focus in the shooting is that both officers’ body cameras were off and the dash camera was off, and we think that we have the answer as to why the cameras were off.

Due to the lack of information released about the shooting, we are unable to offer an opinion at this time on whether we believe if the shooting itself was objectively reasonable.

The details released so far have been scarce and have offered no justification for the shooting. However, just because the justification wasn’t released doesn’t mean that there was no justification.

The possibility of an accidental shooting also remains high, in which case criminal charges and a conviction would be all but guaranteed.

Either way, the circumstances of the shooting appear to bizarre, it’s obvious that we’re missing crucial pieces of information. We’ll reserve judgement until the details are released.

What We Know About The Justine Damond Shooting

On Saturday night at around 11:30 PM, officers responded to a 911 call just north of the 5100 block of Washburn Avenue S. for a report of what sounded like a possible fight. Family members say that Justine Damond is the person who called 911.

According to unnamed “sources,” Star Tribune reports that both officers were in their vehicle as they pulled to the end of an alley on W. 51st Street between Washburn and Xerxes Avenues.

The sources said that Justine Damond approached the police car while wearing her pajamas, and was speaking with the officer driving when the officer who was a passenger fired a bullet past his partner and through the door, which fatally struck Damond.

Both officers’ body cameras were off and the dash camera was off.

The officers then unsuccessfully attempted to resuscitate Damond.

The investigation is being handled by the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension. The BCA has a reputation for being slow to release information.

How did a 40-year-old woman in her pajamas get shot through a car door? We’ll have to wait for the BCA’s report to find out.

After the shooting, Minneapolis Mayor Betsy Hodges held a press conference and said, “I am heartsick and deeply disturbed by the fatal officer-involved shooting that happened last night.”

“I have questions about why the bodycams weren’t on,” she said.

Why The Bodycams Weren’t On During The Justine Damond Shooting

Being police officers who have experience with dash cameras and body cameras, we can make an educated guess about why the cameras weren’t on, although we’re entering the realm of speculation.

Most dash cameras and body cameras either do not record all of the time, or they record constantly, but only keep 30 seconds or so of video. That way when the camera is activated, it may show a brief time before activation.

Dash cameras are generally activated by being manually turned on by the officer, or by the officer activating their vehicle’s emergency lights. Body cameras are generally activated by the officer manually turning them on.

There are some systems which may activate body cameras when officers take another action, such as activating emergency lights or drawing a weapon; these auto-activation systems are more expensive and uncommon.

Considering the circumstances of the 911 call, nothing should have triggered the cameras to turn on.

The officers in this incident were essentially responding to an area check. The 911 caller thought they heard a fight in the area, so the officers responded by driving through to see if they could find anybody fighting.

This is the sort of low-key incident that officers respond to all of the time. Most of the time, the people involved are gone by the time officers arrive.

There is absolutely no reason that the officers would have any reason to activate their emergency equipment or body cameras in order to conduct an area check unless they actually rolled up on an assault, at which time they should activate their cameras.

The officers were reportedly still in their patrol car at the time of the shooting, meaning nothing prompted them to exit their car and activate their body cameras.

Considering how the cameras work, and considering the circumstances, I would have been surprised if body camera footage actually did exist in this incident.

No matter what the circumstances of the shooting turn out to be, there’s no reason at this time to believe that there’s even so much as a policy violation with the cameras being off.

  • Jonas Blane ll

    His explanation for killing Justine. I was in fear for my safety. I had no choice but to shoot her.

    • John Allen

      I have not heard anyone say that. Did that come from the police officer? If not then you are part of the problem. Let them investigate..

      • Jonas Blane ll

        You do realize that I was being sarcastic. Because,that’s the common excuse used when a white cop shoots a black person. This was even the excuse with the white St Louis cop used,when he shot a black St Louis cop. So Off Noor should use that excuse.

        • Cozmo1138

          I don’t think he did realize that, Jonas. Sarcasm doesn’t translate well in print.

      • Concerned Dad

        What he is saying is that just wait for it. The union is helping him craft the words properly. “I feared for my life!”. That’s it, now everyone can go home.

  • Scott Urquhart

    100% correct. No one turns on the bodycam for a routine call like that. As for the dash cam, that would not have recorded the shooting. Dash cams face forward….

    • Mobey Dick

      BULL SHIT, any and everytime any interaction with ANY citizen it is mandatory to activate the body camera, even to get a cup of coffee! Even still they should have activated the patrol cars emergency lights immediately after the shooting capturing the last 30 seconds! Both officers should be fired for not turning on their body cameras!

      • Scott Urquhart

        Sorry Moby but your wrong. In my department its NOT mandatory to turn on your bodycam whenever your interacting with the public. And turning on the emergency lights AFTER the shooting would have caught 30 secs. of what?

        • Gobby

          What department employs you? I will make sure never to go in your jurisdiction, you should have your body cam on in all interactions with citizens unless you have something to hide.

          • Interestedintruth

            you sound like a bully!

          • Lorenzo Gregory

            Sometimes things happen fast and you do not have time to press a little button on your body cam.

            Car video comes on automatically but only if lights a sirens are turned on which does not occur on every call.

            Also you cannot leave a body cam on the batteries last a couple hours at best.

          • Missy Black

            No excuses.

          • Mobey Dick

            Simple solution turn it on when you get the call!

          • medbob

            Then you need to purchase better body cams. There is no reason why a Lithium Battery cannot record for AT LEAST a whole 12 hour shift! My phone lasts all day!

          • Rob Peel

            Another nitwit comment. What about a sexual assault victim talking with an officer? Maybe she wouldn’t want what she had to say recorded. Think for a change.

          • Mobey Dick

            Everything should be recorded, she/he may be lying!

        • $830998

          you must work for Barney Fife in Maybury

        • Todd R. Luttman

          It would have gotten the voices.

        • Irish Cornaire

          Scott my brother is NYPD and his camera is on at all times no matter wot,ye department needs to implement the same because of situations such as this young woman being shot makes it suspect with the officer who shot her.

          • alaskaeagle

            Body cams are manufactured by many companies and are all different in storage capacity and battery capacity. NYPD can afford an upscale system where as my son would have trouble affording that system. The NYPD does have a problem with data storage but they probably do data overwrite. Video does consume data storage but it consumes even more data when audio is added to the mix. Cost is the big factor when purchasing a system and many cities would have to authorized what they can afford.

          • Mobey Dick

            The city/department needs to spend the money to protect everyone!

          • alaskaeagle

            I can give you the city’s name if you want to donate to them. You assume that every city has surplus money for a NYPD system. There are many cities that can not afford such a system because their population is mostly poor. The DOJ does provide some money but it is not enough to buy a NYPD system.

          • Mobey Dick

            Just like Jacksonville FL. and many other cities had money for 50 AR-15s but no money for body cameras last year!

          • Katrina

            Is your brother part of the pilot program? What do they think of the privacy issues when the camera is on at all times? Do they have different policy for different presincts?. That does not sound like the policy I heard of from NYPD.

          • Fudgelicker

            You’re working as a cop, don’t expect privacy. If you want privacy, get a job that will grant you privacy.

        • medbob

          Should be on 24/7 365. All cameras should be recording video and audio all the time. In fact, there shouldn’t be any way for an officer in the field to turn OFF a camera. They should be designed for continuous operation.

          • Rob Peel

            No. What if someone was going to give information on criminal activity and did not want themselves recorded for personal safety? What about sexual assault victims. Anyone who knows anything about law enforcement knows there are no such thing as always and never. There are exceptions to just about everything. Oh, what about when the officers has to answer a call of nature, that should be recorded? Think for a change.

          • Mobey Dick

            That information WILL be used on a police report regardless at some point. People who claim sexual assault something are lying, it should be recorded! Call of nature YES, it should be recorded, you took the job live with your decisions!

          • medbob

            I do. They are public servants and need to be held accountable. The video does not need to be released, and in fact, could be held by the individual officer in his device unless called upon to produce it for an investigation.
            There is no need for production of the video UNLESS the department wants the individual officer to produce the video regarding a particular matter with the individual officer providing it as part of a report.
            If is scares off an informant, that’s the cost of accountability. If the officer does not want his “business” recorded, take off the recorder and leave it in the seat. All of your concerns can be addressed by business practices.

          • Fudgelicker

            US cops are so dangerous to the public, it should be mandatory to have the camera on at all times. Very easily scared, and always looking to shoot maximum amount of bullets into the torso.

        • Mobey Dick

          Then you should do EVERYTHING you can to change that stupid policy so something like this doesn’t happen to a officer or citizen in your area. It would have looped back 30 seconds and might have captured what was said.

      • Lorenzo Gregory

        Body cam would give you a pic of the dashboard only and the car cameras do not show the front passenger compartment or the side of the vehicle.

        One of the problems with cameras is they do not always show what the officer saw and never shows the angle the cop saw it at.

        • Retributi0n

          True, but the audio is what would be important here as well.

        • medbob

          Given that the door was the first target, it appears that this was a negligent discharge.

          • Mobey Dick

            6 shots!~

          • medbob

            If it was six, then this is gross negligence with a probability of manslaughter. We have to wait for all the evidence, but this appears to be way beyond the pale.

        • Mobey Dick

          It would have recorded audio and the officer is claiming a loud noise made him discharge his weapon 6 times and it would be extremely valuable in clearing the officer!

          • medbob

            A loud noise? Do you believe in the Rules of Firearm Safety? Be sure of your target and what is beyond it? If you do not know what the loud noise was, then you DO NOT KNOW THE TARGET!!!!

      • Mary Jo Rehg

        Says you?

        • Mobey Dick

          YES says me and 300,000,000 other citizens who have commonsense!

          • Mary Jo Rehg

            LOL! You actually surveyed 300,000,000 other citizens? Hilarious.

      • Rob Peel

        1. You don’t know that department’s policy on recording, so you know nothing about what you are talking about. Activate the overhead lights? Why? As for firing anyone, I think the officer who fired is going to have bigger problems.

        • Mobey Dick

          WOW, hopefully you do not have a badge!

          • Fudgelicker

            Unfortunately it seems he has. Another bad apple right there.

    • John YoHan Jin

      Yeah fuck that bullshit. Why didn’t they turn their emergency lights once they got the call? Fucking bullshit man. You never know what the hell is going to come from a “routine” check up, and you’re asking for it if you think “routine check-ups” can’t result in dire situations. NOT ONLY THAT BUT THEIR DASH CAM WAS OFF TOO? Explain that bullshit too please.

      • Steve Adams

        Take it easy – your ignorance is showing again…

      • Mobey Dick

        I can understand not having the emergency light on when there were talking to her. I can’t fathom why they were not turned on seconds after the shooting!

        • Katrina

          How do you know they weren’t? Their priority was probably doing CPR on the victim.

          • Mobey Dick

            Shots fired is kind of an emergency!

          • Katrina

            Again: How do you know they weren’t?

    • The Professor

      The dash cam would have recorded the conversation.

    • medbob

      24/7 365. All cameras should be on and recording. You want privacy, go get a private security job.
      Don’t get me wrong. I think that officers should be held in the highest regard, with the highest respect but also with the highest standards and discipline at high rates of pay. It should be common for Policemen to be dismissed for discipline infractions. This is not a normal career, nor should it be viewed as such!!!

      • alaskaeagle

        I worked for the MTA bus company and we used 5 cameras inside and two outside cameras. The system was powered by the bus batteries. The video was stored on a 100gigabyte hard drive. We manually download the data from the hard drive on any incidence on the bus because the data was marked by day and hour. Each hour consumed approx. 250 megabytes of data. The data was overwritten when the 100 gigabytes limit was reached starting with the oldest data. Body cams have the same limitations. Body cams can not be on 24/7 365 because of the battery capacity. The officers would have to carry a car battery around to get what you demand. The second item is the body cam is a small device and it has a limitation on data storage. They would also have to carry a hard drive with them to store the data that you are talking about. That is why the cameras are not on when in down time.

        • medbob

          Working in IT, I know that there are camera devices that can have battery capacity to record all digital video and audio for quite some time. Certainly as long as a shift. As for a 100gb Hard Drive, I can buy a 128gb SD card for $50. Were you to task me, I could use a Raspberry PI 3, with a camera and SD card and personally build a device that would fulfill the requirements.
          There is no technical limitation as you have described. Perhaps 5 years ago, but not today.

          • alaskaeagle

            That is true since I retired 8 years ago and the technology has changed dramatically. Now a days with the 128 gb SD card that would be able to record both voice and video for about a full day in low video quality. The storage would be cut in half for the higher quality video but that would still allow for recording the event. Our bus system did kick into super high quality when an emergency switch was activated. I have been reading about the changes taking place because learning still remains in your system. Thanks for making me feel old. Just kidding.

      • Katrina

        I agree wholeheartedly with a higher rate of pay. They are paid peanuts for what is expected of them now. Perhaps a large pay increase would justify the higher standards expected. Until then, we can only expect what we pay for.

        • Mobey Dick

          And higher pay may result in getting a better grade of recruits. As it is now in my county you can always be a cop if you have been rejected as a garbage man.

      • Jaymes Brandon

        Very good, common sense analogy.

  • David Douglass

    Negligent Discharge I bet will be the cause…..simply a terrible incident

    • Cozmo1138

      But what would have been the reason for him to unholster his sidearm in the first place? That’s what I’ll be curious to see.

      • David Douglass

        Exactly

      • Greg Miller

        We may never know what exactly happened, I’d bet money the officers involved don’t know either. Just be glad she wasn’t black because BLM would be rioting.

        • Cozmo1138

          BLM has already organized protests on Damond’s behalf. So THEY are advocating on her behalf. Where are the All Lives Matter people?

          • John Clabo

            “Where are the All Lives Matter people?”

            …patiently waiting for more information to go off of instead of jumping at the chance to shit on police….

          • Cozmo1138

            Oh, you must not realize that there’s a world of difference between saying something needs to change and shitting on police.

          • John Clabo

            Hell of an assumption I must say…but just in case you truly are that stupid….yes, I am well aware of the difference…are you?

            Also, using tragedies every chance you get to pop your head around the corner and say “Zomgurd u guyz, sumthin needz to ch@nge liek now” is hardly praise-worthy behavior.

            What needs to change, what actual policies are you recommending we should change in this particular incident? It’s truly hard to take you or BLM seriously when you can’t even add to the discussion taking place. You simply sit there and toss out some obvious bullshit like “The world is a dark place, we should change it for the better!” …no shit Sherlock!

            What’s worse is when BLM adds fuel to the fire that is the racial division in this country by making bullshit claims such as “zomg systemic racism” and “zomg everyone is a racist…that’s a fact!!!” (never shows how that’s a fact…ever).

            So yea, without giving any real constructive input and by making stupid claims about a situation that we truly don’t know that much about (as of the time of writing) it’s easy to assume that you’re simply using another tragic situation to shit on the police.

            I mean, when Miosotis Familia (a mother and, not that it should matter, also a black woman) was executed IN HER SQUAD CAR recently I don’t recall seeing BLM protesting the murder …nor do I recall BLM advocating peace or showing their support for Miosotis Familia’s family….so yea, BLM can piss off as far as I’m concerned.

          • Don Adkins
          • Cozmo1138

            I hear you, Don, but that’s not helpful or constructive. To go around assuming that all cops are racist bullies is just as harmful as assuming that all black men are thugs who did something to provoke police into shooting them.

          • Cozmo1138

            Because that’s not what BLM is about, John. BLM exists to raise awareness of the disproportionate number of officer-involved shootings of blacks. There are other groups that advocate for police officers being killed in the way that Officer Familia was.

            World Vision doesn’t actively campaign about hunger among adults in America. Their thing is children in third-world countries. Doesn’t mean they don’t care. It’s just not their mission.

            So don’t fault BLM for not protesting officers killed in the line of duty.

          • Jonas Blane ll

            I don’t recall Blue Lives Matter supporting the Black St Louis cop shot by his fellow white officer.

          • bacchys

            They don’t try to clean up bad officers from law enforcement, either.
            You’ll find no love for Joe Chrystal from [Only] Blue Lives Matter.

          • John Clabo

            Yea see that’s where you’re wrong. BLM chants “death to the pigs” and “Pigs in a blanket fry ’em like bacon” so you’ll excuse me if I don’t buy into the whole “we’re peaceful and we just want to raise awareness about an issue that we’ve skewed heavily by ignoring legitimate statistics in an attempt to stoke racial tensions to an all time high” bullshit.

            I’ll fault BLM for their hypocrisy all damn day until the hypocrisy ends Cozmo. You can drink that koolaid all you like but reality simply disagrees with you and the mindless cult that is BLM.

          • Highest common denominator

            I’m not sure where you get your news from, but neither of those chants were BLM. Go ahead, post the link to where you THINK that was BLM chanting that. I’ve had to correct this lie so many times in this site, I have the appropriate links bookmarked.

          • John Clabo

            You’re welcome…takes all of like, 10 seconds to find examples of what I’m talking about.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQrnEdjQWKI

          • Highest common denominator

            Feel free to check on the Twin Cities branch of BLM. The former leader of this branch was exiled from the group, and this march wasn’t sanctioned by BLM.

            Do all whites think every black person they see is part of BLM? Or do some of you realize they’re a group with leaders and approval boards before marches and such?

          • Katrina

            If you don’t want all whites to think every black person is a part of BLM, why do you try to convince everyone that every black criminal who dies at the hands of police did so through some fault of police rather the actions of the criminal?

          • Highest common denominator

            And where exactly have I done that?

          • Highest common denominator

            And besides my previous statement, what do those two have to do with each other?

          • Ray_Sears

            Because only Knee Grows is always be in da right, an de honkeys be white devils polices always be murdering da brothers. Minister. Farrakhan done told me so. He say you white deb uls be killing me iffn i don’t vote for da dombocrats and give him 20% of my welfare check !

          • Katrina

            I don’t believe demeaning another race will lead to dialogue, trust and or better relations. Isn’t that what we want?

          • Ray_Sears

            I’m sure that some folks here can understand sarcasm when it is served up, and then some other folks here are just too obtuse !

          • John Clabo
          • Katrina

            So, the group chanting these phrases were imposters holding BLM signs?

          • Highest common denominator

            Call it what you want, but they weren’t officially BLM. This has been debunked for a couple years now.. Does someone tell you something on your favorite news program and you never take it upon yourself and fact check?

          • Jonas Blane ll

            Did you take issue when Bundy Militia Terrorists while occupying federal property said to cops. ” We’re here to kill or be killed. We dare the FBI to come and get us?”
            Or Waco biker gangs issuing a “Kill anyone in uniform order ” after fellow biker gang members were arrested following the Twin Peeks Massacre?

          • Mobey Dick

            I agree some BLM do that, would you agree that some cops are piles of shit and that so called good cops do NOTHING to get the bad cops off the force!

          • quez420

            That’s a load of shit and you know it. Normally it’s not of town thugs that show up to peaceful events start shit and then now the entire movement is tainted, c’mon and I don’t even agree with blm on everything

          • John Clabo

            I’m certainly sorry you feel that way but you’re wrong. Now, just in case you misunderstood what I was trying to say, I am in no way implying that EVERYONE that even REMOTELY agrees with BLM is somehow a racist thug determined to kill cops everywhere…. but the majority of the BLM movement is, at best, absolutely delusional and living in a fantasy (read: dystopian) world….

          • Steve Adams

            BLM is mostly a bunch of thugs, paid protesters, rioters, etc.

          • Katrina

            Except that “disproportionate number of officer-involved shootings of blacks” is a myth. BLM got their campaign of lies about MB out to the public before all facts were known, and the Hands Up Don’t Shoot cry was disproven as were many other completely justifiable shootings.

          • Mobey Dick

            “What needs to change, what actual policies are you recommending we should change in this particular incident?”
            1. How about body cameras being activated EVERYTIME a police officer interact with any civilian!
            2. Get out of that mentality that everyone but cop are liars and criminals. BTW 2% of all Law Enforcement are liars and Criminals just like general population.
            3. Stop coddling and making excuses for bad cops!

          • John Clabo

            “1. How about body cameras being activated EVERYTIME a police officer interact with any civilian!”

            Although I do agree with that I can’t help but wonder what (if any) the technical limitations would be to try to make that happen. There are several factors that make that more difficult than you likely believe it to be.

            “2. Get out of that mentality that everyone but cop are liars and criminals. BTW 2% of all Law Enforcement are liars and Criminals just like general population.”

            First of all, who’s saying that “everyone but cops are liars and criminals”? It truly sounds like you’re talking out of your ass on this one. Also regarding that statistic, do you have a source for that figure or, as I suggested earlier, are you just talking out of your ass?

            “3. Stop coddling and making excuses for bad cops!”

            Yet another “point” that makes me wonder if you’re just talking out of your ass on all of this… I don’t know anyone that is making excuses for bad cops. You likely see people not jumping to conclusions 5 minutes after an incident and somehow equate that to “coddling and making excuses for bad cops”…

          • Mobey Dick

            You don’t read this forum much do you?! We talked about a cop off duty and out of uniform a few weeks ago who assault a 15yo boy for walking across his yard in broad daylight! He is a bad cop! There is NO excuse for his actions, every single cop on this site supported the dumbassed cop! That cop should be shamed off the force!

          • John Clabo

            I read it plenty, you just seem to be stuck on this whole assuming habit. Also, regarding the officer that you brought up, I disagree with the level of aggression he presented (though technically we only see the aftermath and nothing prior to the video’s rec button being turned on) but to say that you are oversimplifying the HELL out of the incident would be the understatement of the year! I can’t help but wonder just HOW biased someone is when they jump straight for the “simplify the hell out of the story and leave out important bits of context” types of BS.

          • Mobey Dick

            It doesn’t take a fifth grader to KNOW FOR A FACTY that “officer” had ZERO business even touching that young man for walking across his yard!

          • John Clabo

            lol ok buddy, I’ll give you the benefit of a doubt and just assume that you were too tired to read what I said…try again, read my last message on the matter…then (AND ONLY THEN) try to compose some sort of a point that comes even close to equaling a “facty”.

          • Shang Tsung

            Nah, they are somewhere patiently waiting on BLM to get upset about something, THEN they will show up!!

          • John Clabo

            lol are you implying that BLM isn’t ALWAYS pissed about something? That they’re not ALWAYS hunting for that one thing to use for that one narrative they prefer? 😛

          • Shang Tsung

            And All Lives Matter is NEVER upset about anything at all, EVER!! Except BLM!! Quite frankly ALM sole purpose is to attempt to shut up & drown out BLM! Everyone knows that!

          • Steve Adams

            You don’t really believe that do you ?

          • $830998

            no they aren’t. Googled it. nothing but silence from that group.

          • Ray_Sears

            No, they are not ! But the people who knew her, or were her neighbors are Advocating on her behalf. Maybe they want to know the truth, unlike some people.

          • Cozmo1138

            http://www.npr.org/2017/07/17/537677335/minnesota-woman-killed-by-police-officer-after-call-of-possible-assault

            I stand corrected, in that BLM did not organize protests. But according to this article, BLM activists WERE involved in publicly mourning Justine’s death at the scene along with family members.

          • John Clabo

            If you’re referring to me (I honestly can’t tell), I’m strongly in favor of finding out what in the hell happened. The partner that was in the driver seat talking to the lady was supposedly shocked that his partner had fired his weapon (he fired it three times through the damn door)…we still haven’t been told WHY that happened and it honestly should be a simple answer.

            What I HAVE been saying however is that we should NOT jump to conclusions. I say the same thing when it’s a black person that gets killed…people love to jump on tragedy in order to further their own political agenda and it makes me sick….so I fail to see how me saying “lets get all of the info before we start making bullshit claims” equates to me NOT wanting to know more.

        • Ray_Sears

          At least one person has an idea ! Muhhamud Noor !

      • the_lion

        Seriously… you really believe you could approach an occupied police vehicle in the dark of night at an alleyway without an officer calmly pointing a gun at you through the door… why you ask… google New York PD Officer Miosotis Familia or Philadelphia PD Officer Jesse Hartnett… there are many more… this is going to be an example of extremely poor gun safety issues… the cop with the firearm is ruined…

        • Cozmo1138

          I don’t know if you’ve read any local articles on this, but she wasn’t shot as she was approaching. She was actually talking to the officer driving the car when she was shot.

          To answer your question, however, cops roll through my alley every so often, and I’ll talk to them. I’ve never once had a service weapon pointed at me. One of the most unprofessional things a cop can do is drive through alleys waving their pistols around, and cops know that. I’ve lived in the Twin Cities for most of my life, except when I lived overseas and served as military police. And I never drove around with my weapon drawn unless we were on a convoy or something, or we were running exercises.

          • the_lion

            who said they’wave’ their guns around… are you purposely being slow? Un-Holstered either pointed directly pointed at your body mass through the door or held in a ready position under or behind something where you will never see it… that is the point… no cop wants to scare or insult decent citizens but they never know which one you are… better judged by 12 than carried by 6… corny but true… this will turn out to a horrible accidental/negligent discharge..

          • Cozmo1138

            Well then if you’re so concerned about getting home alive that you’re willing to endanger the lives of people around you, why are you a cop in the first place?

            “no cop wants to scare or insult decent citizens but they never know which one you are… better judged by 12 than carried by 6… corny but true”

            So now a cop gets judged (maybe) and a woman who called the police to be a good citizen is now to be carried by 6 BECAUSE OF that police officer.

            Oh, well. As long as that cop gets to go home to his family at night, right?

          • the_lion

            ask the cops who are ambushed while sitting in their cars….

          • Cozmo1138

            They aren’t the ones shooting unarmed white women who call 911 asking for help. They aren’t the ones who kill a black guy as he’s reaching for his ID that they asked to see.

          • the_lion

            Your bias is showing.

          • the_lion

            Have you ever had to place yourself in a circumstance, on a fairly regular basis – like the 50,212 officers who were victims of line-of-duty assaults in 2015 with 41 killed in those attacks? You, tough guy Coz… would sit there with your hands on the steering wheel while in your car, as an unknown person approaches you… you know nothing about this person, do they have a gun, knife a rock at their side or just good wishes, but you know that there are over 140 officers assaulted Every Single Day Of The Year… You Coz are naïve and a stat waiting to happen… hope you are not cop…

          • Concerned Dad

            There we go again. Let me kill you just incase. I want to go home tonight. The wife is making lasagna and I love lasagna.

          • the_lion

            You are Not listening are you…?

          • the_lion

            Do you believe that the act was intentional? Under what circumstances would that occur? That makes no sense… zero….

        • Concerned Dad

          But the woman and at least one of the cops were having a conversation. This wasn’t a surprise attack.

          • the_lion

            Have a problem with reading comprehension? this is going to be an example of extremely poor gun safety issues… the cop with the firearm is ruined…

          • John YoHan Jin

            You’re the one with the lack of reading comprehension mr lion. You talked about “dark of night” and “alleyway” when the woman was already up at the car and HAVING A CONVERSATION. Why would the cop be still hoisting the gun? Not to mention he made the shot through the DRIVER’s side so he had to shoot past his partner sitting left of him to get to her. This isn’t just poor gun safety you dumb animal.

          • the_lion

            Gee johnny…. how do you think she got up to the car… magically transported herself? And I suppose if the cop had un-holstered his gun as Ms. Damond walked up to the car the gun would just holster itself when they figured out there was no danger?

          • Ray_Sears

            Enough of your foolishness, You are Blocked for being a fool !

          • Katrina

            Was it not a dark alleyway?

          • Cozmo1138

            You guys, we need to remember that a lot of people here have difficulty backing up their arguments with logic, so they resort to insulting the commenter instead.

            The Lion, I realize that you’re saying Officer Noor is probably guilty of a negligent discharge. But the fact is a woman’s life has been ended…a woman who called the police for help, and was then shot by a cop who was sent to help her.

            What’s frustrating is we try to say, “There’s something not right here, and it needs to change,” and you make arguments that seem to me to amount to, “it’s no big deal.”

            Do you agree that this was a serious incident? And do you agree that there seem to be a disproportionate number of police shootings of unarmed people as of late?

          • the_lion

            I agree Coz… ” a lot of people here have difficulty backing up their arguments with logic”… especially when they have no actual field experience… how many years do or did you have in a cop car? And of course the death of Ms. Damond is tragic… but that is what it is… it is tragic a tragedy… not some horrible intentional act with an attempt by horrible cops trying to cover it up… And No.. there does not seem to be a disproportionate number of police shootings of unarmed people as of late. Run the numbers Coz….

          • T.F. Sinclair

            Lion, please wait for the investigation to conclude before jumping to that conclusion. At this time we do not know what happened. We can assume what happened, but assumption is not fact.

          • the_lion

            TFS I am curious on your definition of jumping to conclusion… there are only two choices to this event… either there was a negligent firearms discharge or a psychopathic cop purposefully shot, without any justification and murdered a reporting party in an alleyway… hmmm… I’ll bet the farm on the 1st choice… not much of a jump…

          • Katrina

            It looks like it could well turn out that way, but until all facts are known it is conjecture. I have great sympathy for the woman’s family and loved ones. But I also have concern for the officer’s well being. If this was an unintentional discharge, he must also be devastated.

          • Ray_Sears

            ” an example of extremely poor gun safety issues ” W.T.H. are you trying to say ? When i served in the U.S. Army they taught me, that there is no such as an “Accidental Weapons Discharge” PERIOD ! ( as in utilize the training you were given in handling your weapon at all times ) If this incident had happened in the Military, the shooter would be sitting in the stockade and looking forward to a long stretch in Leavenworth. Sorry, but there is no alibi for such stupidity !

          • the_lion

            RS… Mr. Perfect… Xclnt… but it did not occur in the Military now did it? and in no way have I attempted to alibi Noor… he effed up… he will pay… maybe not to your rigorous standards… but pretty sure his chosen career is kaput… but the bs humming around on the discussion that there was some kind of nefarious reason that Ms. Damond was killed would be laughable if not so tragic… eff your Block

      • mac

        Read my reply to David above..

      • Katrina

        Just a guess, but it is difficult if not impossibe to draw from a holster while seat belted in a vehicle, or even just seated without the belt. I believe they were driving up an alley, probably dark, looking for some kind of disturbance. It may have been precautionary to have the weapon drawn in case SHTF. They can’t be too careful with the number of assassinations of police in their squads.

        • Cozmo1138

          Thank you for the civil tone, Katrina. It’s so much appreciated!

          I live about 10 blocks north of where this incident happened, and I see cop cars all the time. They have a very strong presence in my neighborhood. It’s not uncommon for me to be sitting out back of my apartment and to see a squad car rolling up the alley with its spot lights on. Several times I’ve approached car and offered assistance, and never once have I seen a firearm drawn or had one pointed at me (I realize that I don’t see everything in the car, but I’m also observant like that).

          I totally hear you about the assassinations, and I understand not wanting to get whacked while sitting in your car. I can’t emphasize how sympathetic I am about that. But I come from an era where cops had to fill out paperwork explaining why they drew their pistols, and that seemed to help them exercise better judgment about whether it was an appropriate situation.

          • Katrina

            The appreciation is returned. When someone turns snarky, I should just STFU and not respond, but then a lower self takes over and I throw it back. (shame on me!)
            As for writing reports, I know paperwork has increased a lot. A report needs to be written on each use of force, so I would be surprised if they weren’t required to write one for drawing their weapon. But that would not line up with my theory of why this officer had his unhostered. Ask one of the officers patroling your neighborhood. I would like to know, also.

          • Cozmo1138

            Yeah, I really try to present a well-articulated argument, but sometimes I get frustrated and snarky gets the better of me. But hey, look at us not agreeing on everything but keeping the dialogue going! 😀

            Anyway, I actually read the Use of Force policy for Minneapolis, and they aren’t required to file a report for drawing and pointing their weapon. I posted about it elsewhere here…I linked to the official page and posted a couple of highlights. But it’s interesting and enlightening to see what officers are and aren’t required to file reports on, or even inform their supervisor of.

          • Katrina

            Thanks for the link and info. Can’t read it now, but I saved it for when I have more time. The pertinent highlights are appreciated.:D

    • mac

      I have seen officers pull their weapon and have it at the side when sitting in a car and someone walks up to the,They have no idea who or what they want..I agree with David above.

      • Cozmo1138

        That’s unsafe and unprofessional. I’ve known many officers, and not one of them has drawn their sidearm under those circumstances.

        • tim

          I know plenty that have. I’ve done it myself.

          • Cozmo1138

            Wow. I massively hope you’re in the minority.

          • Concerned Dad

            How many innocent women in their pj’s have you killed? Be honest.

        • Scott Urquhart

          Cozmo your wrong. You just don’t understand the dangers of police work. Any cop would be foolish NOT to have his gun out (but out of sigh)t when someone walks up to their car at night. All cops who have even a bit of offer safety do it. Your just being naïve….

    • Missy Black

      I agree. No way in hell this was an accident.

  • Highest common denominator

    He probably saw a gun, or she moved too quickly or not quick enough.

    • Jason Todd

      Through a car door. Doubt it. More likely the work of a trigger happy cop.

      • Richard Skurka

        Plus shooting when your partner is in line of fire,…. scary thought for the driver, especially if your partner is trigger happy.

        • Highest common denominator

          Maybe he was a really good shot and his partner knew it. She had to have done something to get shot like that.

          • nasamp88

            Not true.I know this is out of date but the latest statics that I found were that there were 76 million encounters with police in 2002. I can only imagine that it has increased since that time.
            Accidental shooting happen. Humans are fallible, that is part of being human. Mistakes are made. I am sure you have, and I know I have. Thankfully the results of our mistakes are usually not life ending. Such a sad event. I morn for all involved and especially the victim and her family.

          • Highest common denominator

            Yeah, it was probably an accident. Hopefully the cop cam get off scot-free.

          • $830998

            she was white, if that’s any more of a reason than being black.

          • Highest common denominator

            My guess is the cop couldn’t see too well because it was dark, and he thought he saw a gun so he shot. Honest mistake.

          • $830998

            while she was talking to his partner behind the wheel in her pajamas?

          • Highest common denominator

            Maybe. We won’t know until their report comes out. And cops always tell the truth, so we know it will be an accurate report.

          • $830998

            If cops always tell the truth then pigs fly.

          • Highest common denominator

            Agreed.

  • Joseph DeGregorio

    Black Somali Muslim Officer with possible ties to ISIS as a sympathizer is some of what’s being floated around in Intel circles. If true, then this was a clear assassination and a bold attempt by them to further discredit Law Enforcement in the USA.

    • Victoria

      Oh please. Stop with the conspiracy theory stuff. Your tin foil hat is a little tight.

      • Maybe you should wake the fuck up!

      • Joseph DeGregorio

        my tin foil hat is wrapped solidly around the head of my pecker so it doesn’t catch an STD from your fugly ass.

        • Victoria

          You’re old enough to be my grandpa so I kind of doubt your “pecker” even works still, but good luck with that. 2 months for a comeback? Really? You can’t even SEE what I look like and you have to turn to insults about a woman’s looks. Low. God, I hope you’re not Blue Family.

          #ThinBlueLineDoesntInsultWomen

          • Joseph DeGregorio

            I hardly get on this email account for one. For two, it’s a typical Alabamatard that stalks someone on Facebook and then instead of having a set of balls she blocks me after she get’s put in her place. You’re no Trump supporter, you’re a RINO. And if you can’t take someone coming back at you after you insult them then STFU and stop being a hypocrite.
            Your old man is probably a dirty cop too.. If he isn’t he will the longer he stays married to your goat smellin a$$. I don’t back down from NOBODY when they insult me, But you proved one thing to me.. You’re a typical Feminazi with a God complex.. I feel sorry for your husband and hope he’s smart enough to divorce you and leave you in the gutter where you belong.

          • Joseph DeGregorio

            Poor Libtard snowflake gets butthurt after she gets stood up to for insulting someone. Hypocrite much? And then you have the nerve to stalk me on Facebook and talk $hit and then block me? But I did infact see your face and I really feel sorry that your husband is married to such a snowflake. Maybe I’ll just post your pic here so everyone can see the face of a Libtard hypocrite.

      • Joseph DeGregorio

        Not as tight as it is around your pimple head. You troll me on facebook and then block me.. real mature for a cops wife.. I feel sorry for him being married to such an idiot.

    • Steve

      …..you have 2 rookies working a midnight shift, and maybe 1 who is a little too nervous….You have bad tactics by letting someone walk up to your car…….

      ….if a news report was accurate that a CELL PHONE was found near the slain women, it is feasible BUT inexcusable that the Somali cop pooped his pant when he saw the cell phone in low light and thought it was a gun. Plausible thinking, but inexcusable.

      No disrespect to law enforcement, but there might be some who pass the program that shouldn’t, which is a reason why they should look into the Somalis training to see how he did under pressure and revisit how he tested in training.

  • Sabina Hallam

    The point I was trying to make was that they said they had everybody wear body cams because of other issues they’ve had routine call or not if you’re saying you’re trying to keep everything open and honest with the public why would they not have their body cams on.
    No matter what comes of any investigation they have a woman has still lost her life.

  • Jason Todd

    Not a single camera was on. Not one.

    In a case where there seems to be no reason for an officer to pull his service pistol, let alone shoot through a car door, that sounds mighty convenient.

  • Cozmo1138

    “There is absolutely no reason that the officers would have any reason to activate their emergency equipment or body cameras in order to conduct an area check unless they actually rolled up on an assault, at which time they should activate their cameras.”

    “there’s no reason at this time to believe that there’s even so much as a policy violation with the cameras being off.”

    So there was no reason for the cops to exit their vehicle and turn on their bodycams, but there WAS a reason for one of them to have his sidearm out of its holster and pointed at the victim? Or do you not consider their sidearms “emergency equipment?” Tell me how THAT adds up.

  • Concerned Dad

    You guys can justify anything. There had to be some sort of emergency / concern for the passenger side cop to have his gun out. New rule,YOUR CAMERA (including body and dash) must be activated with every citizen encounter. if you have your gun out, YOUR CAMERA (including body and dash) must be activated.

    There you go. I solved the problem.

  • dan52d

    No such thing as a routine call. If an officer thinks like that their career may be cut tragically short.

  • Shooter has been identified as a Somalian immigrant.

    Diversity strikes again. Go figure.

    • Highest common denominator

      That doesn’t prove anything, devil. There’s no footage so we should probably wait for the cop’s story.

      • Obviously unqualified quota hire.

        • Highest common denominator

          Maybe. We’re taking about Minneapolis, here. Most “qualified” (read: white) citizens are fat or doped up on heroin. Gotta get your hires somewhere!

      • Gobby

        Oh they will let this cop burn, WHY? because he is a Muslim.

        • Highest common denominator

          most likely. Then try to tout it as “SEE? We do prosecute bad cops!”

  • Gobby

    Yet another innocent person killed by a dumbass trigger happy cop identified as officer Mohamed Noor a Muslim jihadis’t no doubt, but wait! this was a white gal so justice will defiantly be served, the Cop who pulled the trigger will be out of a job within a week and serving 5 years in jail within a year, and Minneapolis taxpayers will be out of multi millions from the inevitable lawsuit.

  • Interestedintruth

    The shooter is muslim. The woman had called 911 and came down in her PJ’s.

  • $830998

    I doubt any black leaders will find a problem with this police shooting.

    • Highest common denominator

      But BLM is already organizing s march. Funny how they seem to not be against white people but against crooked cops.

  • Gobby

    This is what happens when you call the cops

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlY9C6pzxKc

  • informativex

    Both officers body cams are turned off. The dash cam is not turned on and the woman who called the police is shot dead in her pajamas unarmed by the cops who never even got out of the vehicle BAM!

    Does that sound even remotely likely it was justified? As Billy Mays used to say “Oh but wait there is more!” The officer in question is from Somalia. Yes the nation inhabited entirely by radical Islamic extremists and pirates imported this waste of oxygen into the USA and decided his IDEAL career was YOU GUESSED IT to be a FUCKING POLICE OFFICER!

    • Highest common denominator

      It might be justified. Wait for the investigation.

  • Cozmo1138

    From the AP from two years ago: “Deadly force report cites Philadelphia cops’ poor training”

    https://www.apnews.com/e484ca0655364ef4b6d4a20ff0855750

    I suspect that this isn’t limited only to Philly.

  • Cozmo1138
  • Jonas Blane ll

    For the people that take issue with this black cop shooting through a car door and killing this white woman:

    Did you take issue with Off Michael Brelo standing on the hood of a car shooting 46 rds into the windshield of an unarmed non threatening black couple?

    Did you take issue with Off Johannes Mersele shooting unarmed and handcuffed Oscar Grant?

    • Jeanine Poole

      Yes and I take issue with officer Tensing pullling over Sam Dubose for no front license plate, shooting and killing him tho Sam was not armed, colluding with other officers to lie about being dragged by Sam’s vehicle and receiving a verdict of a hung jury TWICE. I take issue with the death of John Crawford, who picked up a pellet gun at a Walmart and was gunned down by police because some racist asswipe called 911 and told them a black man was walking around pointing a gun at people and later admitted he lied about the pointing part, after his wife contradicted him. No one dealt any consequences for that either. Injustices I take issue with, especially those close to home and practiced regularly yet rarely dealt with.

    • Sheryll Lander

      Of course we do. Seriously? You’re foolish to think others don’t share the same concerns about rogue cops or poor judgement. We’re not blind or stupid.

  • Firestar45

    Why is it that school buses have cameras that can record non-stop for 2 weeks but police cameras are only good for 30 seconds?

    • Highest common denominator

      Great point.

    • Sheryll Lander

      Because bus cameras are hooked up to the bus battery and has a bigger memory card.

    • JANET BROWN

      who said it was only good for 30 seconds. What he said was activating the lights after the event would have captured 30 seconds at the end. Learn reading comprehension

      • Firestar45

        I understood just fine. My point is that the argument concerning the absence of video is horsecrap.

    • Steve Adams

      School buses are better paid than police officers…

      • Firestar45

        No, they aren’t.

    • Captcaveman

      I have front and rear dash cams in my car. They record as long as the car is on. I’ve not upgraded the memory card in them so they will normally keep about 10 hours of footage before it starts to overwrite old data. I can set it to record with the car off but I choose not to. I can get about an hour of record time with the car off.

      These were cheap cams that I bought from Amazon over 3 years ago.

      • Firestar45

        Exactly my point.

  • Kim Davis

    All the apologists here. tsk tsk

  • Niko

    Shame, shame, shame on this article. It is missing ONE most pertinent fact. The so called cop was a filthy dirtbag jackboot somali muslime infidel killing scumbag. The mayor and the police chief are imbecile muslime loving pieces of filth. That muslime so called cop had 2 priors in 2017 still waiting to be reviewed ,one incident that was closed in 2016 and a lawsuit against that muslime pig is pending. Any other officer white/black/Hispanic would have been terminated. Oh but not some stupid infidel killing ,sharia promoting, terrorist somali muslime so called cop. Wake up people,these are the facts…!!!!!.

  • Pat McDermott

    I think that to get to the heart of the matter we need to ask why are we recruiting and hiring unqualified individuals for such a serious job. Also why are they so badly trained. The military seems to be able to take SOME less than average individuals and train them properly. Why can’t police departments/cities? I believe my electronics training in the military was the best training I have ever received, including my graduate level education. Maybe they can learn something from the military.

  • Tony

    There is plenty of technology out there that should be included in bodycameras for law enforcement. Like the ability for loud noise to activate the cameras. In this case the partner should have turned on his immediately if nothing else but for the record. Smells of cover up since the shooter is under investigation already in two separate cases.

  • FlameonMe

    She was a pretty white girl. He is a Muslim from Somalia. Centuries of inbreeding and a lifetime of “kill the infidel”. But of course social justice libtards will say these factors have nothing to do with it….but black lives matter, right?

  • dan

    Perhaps the best body cams should be procurred? Really sounds like a leadership and training issue to me. I do not want to ride with another Marine that would be shooting across me in the cab of a vehicle unless we were fully engaged in a firefight and their was no choice.

    • Cozmo1138

      Amen. Trigger discipline.

  • dan

    One more thing – I am a MSGT and if my fellow Marine was being careless with a firearm in the cab of a vehicle I would have his or her ass! Back to training & leadership!

  • The fact that the untrained greenhorn officer was a recent some Somalia immigrant will never be brought to light . Whoever wrote this article is a complete dumbass of course the body camera should’ve been on of course the dash cam should’ve been on this is just another example of why our police departments are in the world of shit at the whoever wrote this article was a complete dumbass of course the body cameras should’ve been on of course the desk should’ve been on this is just another example of why our Police Departments are the world of shit. Of course the fact that this officer was an immigrant will never be brought to light thanks to a complicit media who hate your guts to begin with.

    • Cozmo1138

      Uhh, there are actually quite a number of articles in local media sources that are pointing out this very thing (that Noor is a Somali-American). His hiring was a big news even here in Minneapolis. I’ve actually seen him around, as he is assigned to the precinct responsible for my neighborhood. He was heralded as a good, upstanding citizen who cared about his community and felt that being a police officer was his calling, which is why we here in the Twin Cities are so confused about why this happened at all.

      http://www.startribune.com/what-we-know-about-mohamed-noor-minneapolis-police-officer-who-fatally-shot-justine-damond/435018163/#1

  • I had the dash cam rolling on EVERYTHING! Also had a pocket tape recorder that ran none stop on EVERY public encounter regardless of how innocuous it was. i.e. lockouts, requests for directions etc. Such auto-habits crushed the lying public when they registered “complaints.”

    • Johnny Bookers

      How about “those in the public who lie” not “lying public”

    • Cozmo1138

      CYA, man! Right? It’s there to protect the officers as much as the public.

  • Bill Tinney

    2 terabytes of video recording is available for as little as $150. This does not give you minutes of audio video but weeks. An on board nvr is less than $500. The problem with activation by lights is the possibility of ambush. Anytime a patrol vehicle is dispatched, the camera should be activated.

  • The not so subtle apologetics offered by. Officer Blue and masked as objective assessment is typical of the circle the wagons mentality of so many police officers. In fairness, it appears terrible. The fact the cops are being so quiet about this tragedy has more to do with the PC about muslims than with objectivity. What the hell was the suspect cop doing wearing a badge and a gun in our country given his demographic and cultural markers? This should not surprise traditional Americans…

  • Retributi0n

    My speculation is that the officer for whatever reason felt the need to have his weapon out and had a VERY unfortunate negligent discharge, in which case he could have killed his partner too. I immediately disregarded the bodycam questions because it seemed obvious to me the officers were still in their vehicle and it was my understanding that they usually turned them on once they exited the vehicle. I don’t see much reason for the officer having his weapon out at that time, unless the fight that was reported was much more serious than explained. Officer’s career is most likely over of course and he’ll probably do some time for involuntary or something along those lines, or at least he should.

  • Cozmo1138

    Here is an article that talks about the Minneapolis PD’s policy regarding the use of body cameras. The article includes a link to the actual policy document on file with the city.

    http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2017/07/17/good-question-body-cameras/

    “Minneapolis’ policy is laid out over two pages…. In it, it says officers should turn on a camera when it’s safe to do under the following situations: traffic stops, suspicious person or vehicle stops, vehicle pursuits, when transporting someone, any searches, contact with criminal activity, a confrontation or anything that becomes adversarial, when reading someone their Miranda rights, when ordered by a supervisor, before using force and forced entry into a building.

    It goes on to say an officer can turn the camera on if they’re talking to a citizen and the officer thinks it’s appropriate or when they’re taking a statement and want to preserve the information.

    The policy says the camera can be turned off when protecting accident scenes, monitoring traffic, helping drivers, protecting an undercover officer or informant, to save battery during a long incident, to talk to another officer in private, when ordered by a supervisor or sometimes when a victim or witness requests it.

    If the camera is off when it’s not supposed to be, the Minneapolis policy says the officer has to file a report. It also says any officer who doesn’t adhere to this policy are subject to discipline, up to and including termination.”

  • BlueWarrior

    We need to stand by our police and this officer. It’s a matter of principle. The media is making this an event. It should not be so. This cop did nothing wrong at all. He felt his life was threatened, so he defended himself. Period.

    • Cozmo1138

      A woman was killed by one of the police officers sent to help her. You’ll pardon those of us who actually live in her community that are demanding answers. It is NOT the media making this an event.

      • BlueWarrior

        Your fake news will only take you so far. We conservatives stand by our police while you liberals do what you can to stop them.

        • Cozmo1138

          Fake news? Which part of this shooting incident is fake news, exactly?

          Also, your generalizations are not helpful here.

          • BlueWarrior

            Not helpful? We need to stand by our police in these times! The violent left are killing our police and shooting our Congressmen. The media is making a big hoopla out of nothing. A policeman defended himself. The media is portraying it as something else.

          • Cozmo1138

            Defended himself against what? A middle-aged white woman who had called the police to report an incident, and met them in the alley when they arrived on scene to help?

            I’m all for standing by police. I’ve served with many police officers, and count some of them among my closest friends. But I’m also a firm believer that officer-involved shootings require appropriate justification, as well as supporting evidence like body camera footage and things like that. It’s part of the job that comes with being a police officer.

            So no, I will not stand by this police officer until I am sure that he actually was in danger. Given the information I know up to this point, and in the context of the Minneapolis PD use of force policy that I posted above, it would appear to me that Justine Damond was killed unnecessarily.

          • BlueWarrior

            Obama lovers like you make me sick. Go back where you belong and do some research about the evils of today. Get back to us when you get your head out of your behind and stop supporting liberals and their anti-cop nonsense.

          • Johnny Bookers

            In the end if the officer is convicted you’ll go on about your business. Your outrage is a fake as Trump’s wife’s boobs.

          • BlueWarrior

            I am outraged. Our cops are being shot and killed all the time and we have other Americans who refuse to let cops defend themselves anytime they feel threatened. The fact that you aren’t outraged about that shows what kind of person you are.

          • Johnny Bookers

            Yawn. I support blue. I don’t support blind support. You literally know nothing about this and you’re making false claims. You’re as bad as the liberal media.

          • BlueWarrior

            You support blue when they aren’t black. You are just as bad as Liberals.

          • Robert Johnson

            Great Trolling Blue Warrior (seriously). See how #BlueLivesMatter unless those blue lives are Black. Bravo.

          • Ray_Sears

            I always give the police the benefit of the doubt when these kind of things happen, But i refuse to defend stupidity when served bullsh*t ! I believe in waiting until the truth comes out, not erecting the Blue Wall without knowing the facts about something. For your information before you accuse me of being a liberal and a cop hater, I am a Retired LEO, and I served as a leader of my County’s Trump for President Committee in the last election. So you’ll have to come up with new charge to impune me with.

          • Johnny Bookers

            What’s your excuse for the video and these filthy cops? Why can’t you just admit there’s some bad cops instead of being a blind bootlicker?
            You can support blue and the public it serves at the same time but your dishonesty makes you an elitist above the public cops should serve. http://www.dailywire.com/news/18752/baltimore-cop-apparently-planted-drugs-his-own-hank-berrien

          • Cozmo1138

            I voted for Bush twice. I thought he was a great president. I also supported Obama after his first couple of years. I’m a veteran. I’m well aware of the evils of today, thank you very much.

            What I don’t appreciate is your insistence that wanting cops to stop killing unarmed people equates to being anti-cop. I also don’t appreciate your assumption that you know me, my motives, or my beliefs based on a handful of comments.

          • Johnny Bookers

            He didn’t address the “fake news” accusation… of course. He must have “inside knowledge”.

          • BlueWarrior

            I did. You just can’t read. The media is playing this up into something it is not.

          • Johnny Bookers

            Based on your inside knowledge no one else has privilege to. Sure buddy.

          • BlueWarrior

            Why would a police officer shoot someone for no reason? It makes no sense. None whatsoever. Obviously this officer felt threatened.

          • Johnny Bookers

            We’re all waiting with what he defended himself against? What was the perceived attack that’s literally not been released to the public at all up to this point? You seem to “know” a lot!

          • BlueWarrior

            It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that cops do not shoot people for no reason. There is always a reason.

          • RogerK

            Yes but the reason might be “incompetence” in this specific case. In every line of work, there are some go can’t cut it and should not be there.

        • Johnny Bookers

          “Fake news”? Pot meet the fuggin kettle!

  • Missy Black

    Welcome to the club white people. Now you know how African-Americans feel when a police officer murders one of us and then they and their department tell an absurd lie in an attempt to justify it. I am surprised that they’re not trying to vilify her by publicy posting every bad or wrong thing she may have ever done. I hope this police officer is convicted and sent to prison, but if he is it will signify and prove that there is a double-standard and white privilege in this country as it pertains to justice in a racist America. Expect protests, we black people will guarantee that the world will know it.

    • Cozmo1138

      Like many people here in Minneapolis are saying, “maybe now white people will finally give a shit.”

    • bacchys

      You can rest assured the police department is busy trying dig up dirt on her so they can tell everyone what a thug she was.

      • Gobby

        You are probably right MPD will be skirting the swamps to find any thing to justify Justine Damond slaying, but you can safely bet that the Australian police have told Minneapolis PD to go and fuck themselves.

    • Gracie’s Girl

      It has happened before and I bet it will happen again. But one thing you aren’t saying is the fact white Americans do stand up and help defend ANY PERSON when a police shooting is not justified. An armed person who refuses to follow police orders (stop, drop the weapon, get down on the ground, don’t reach for ANYTHING, etc.) will never in my book be considered unjustified.

  • Cozmo1138

    Here is the official Minneapolis PD policy regarding use of force:

    http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/police/policy/mpdpolicy_5-300_5-300

    I’d like to call attention to two specific areas in the above document:

    5-303.01 DUTY TO INTERVENE (07/28/16)
    (A-D)
    A. Sworn employees have an obligation to protect the public and other employees.

    B. It shall be the duty of every sworn employee present at any scene where physical force is being applied to either stop or attempt to stop another sworn employee when force is being inappropriately applied or is no longer required.

    5-304 THREATENING THE USE OF FORCE AND DE-ESCALATION (10/16/02) (06/01/12) (07/28/16)
    (A-D)
    A. Threatening the Use of Force

    As an alternative and/or the precursor to the actual use of force, MPD officers shall consider verbally announcing their intent to use force, including displaying an authorized weapon as a threat of force, when reasonable under the circumstances. The threatened use of force shall only occur in situations that an officer reasonably believes may result in the authorized use of force. This policy shall not be construed to authorize unnecessarily harsh language. (08/17/07) (07/28/16)

    B. De-escalation

    Whenever reasonable according to MPD policies and training, officers shall use de-escalation tactics to gain voluntary compliance and seek to avoid or minimize use of physical force. (06/01/12) (07/28/16)

    1. When safe and feasible, officers shall:

    a. Attempt to slow down or stabilize the situation so that more time, options and resources are available.

    i. Mitigating the immediacy of threat gives officers more time to call additional officers or specialty units and to use other resources.

    ii. The number of officers on scene may make more force options available and may help reduce overall force used.

    b. Consider whether a subject’s lack of compliance is a deliberate attempt to resist or an inability to comply based on factors including, but not limited to:

    · Medical conditions
    · Mental impairment
    · Developmental disability
    · Physical limitation
    · Language barrier
    · Influence of drug or alcohol use
    · Behavioral crisis

    Such consideration, when time and circumstances reasonably permit, shall then be balanced against incident facts when deciding which tactical options are the most appropriate to resolve the situation safely.

    2. De-escalation tactics include, but are not limited to:

    · Placing barriers between an uncooperative subject and an officer.
    · Containing a threat.
    · Moving from a position that exposes officers to potential threats to a safer position.
    · Reducing exposure to a potential threat using distance, cover or concealment.
    · Communication from a safe position intended to gain the subject’s compliance, using verbal persuasion, advisements or warnings.
    · Avoidance of physical confrontation, unless immediately necessary (e.g. to protect someone or stop dangerous behavior).
    · Using verbal techniques to calm an agitated subject and promote rational decision making.
    · Calling additional resources to assist, including more officers, CIT officers and officers equipped with less-lethal tools.

  • medbob

    You can buy a 128gb SD rather cheaply. Why can’t these cameras be activated all the time and overwriting the oldest footage? There is no technical reason for NOT doing so!!!

    • Katrina

      From the little I know, I believe part of the reason is cost and storage capacity and the associated cost of that storage and managing it. Also there are sensitive issues in private dwellings were people may not want recordings as well as giving officers privacy for their private business.

      • medbob

        All can be handled by business practices. The device can be designed to loop over 128gb of SD card space, and the video can be kept in the device by the individual officer until and unless called upon to provide it. Business practices can be established that if video accompanying a report is necessary, the officer can cut the necessary portion to be included. In a major such incident as this, the SD card would be pulled as evidence for analysis.
        As for private dwellings, if the police are involved, it becomes a matter of public record. Period. Want your privacy? Don’t involve or elevate to the level where police are needed. The public is paying for their service so it should all be accountable.

  • Katrina

    The article actually says there are few facts known, and much of what could have happened is conjecture. For anyone to think they can form a true, factual opinion is hog wash. Those who are doing so are blathering on pure biased conjecture. None of your opinions will be considered relevant.

  • Robert Johnson

    I wonder why this website is “reserving judgment at this time”? What has changed? humnmmmm I wonder.

  • Ray_Sears

    In the U.S. Army, I was taught that there is no such thing as ” AN ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE OF YOUR WEAPON, PERIOD ” !

  • Anthony Rew

    If cameras are off then the cop can’t work or is fired for not turning on cameras

  • Chuck C.

    I’ve strongly defended every cop shooting since Ferguson, including Philando Castile, with an exception for the shooting of Walter Scott. But it’s awfully hard to defend a cop who shoots ACROSS his partner at an unarmed, non-threatening woman wearing pajamas. Since no other official explanation has been offered and even Noor’s partner is reported to have been stunned, I think it is unwise to go too far out on a limb to defend Officer Noor. Some have even suggested that Noor, a Somali immigrant Muslim, might have reacted instinctively according to his religious beliefs, at the sight of a woman wearing nightwear that may have been not only physically revealing but deeply offensive to him. If that sounds too far fetched, I’m perfectly willing to entertain another theory since the BCA apparently tends to drag its feet as long as possible. Maybe this will be harder to delay due to Ms.Damond’s Australian citizenship. As a strong defender of law enforcement, I think it is just as important that bad apples be called out and not excused so that the reputation of good cops collectively is not further damaged.

    • quez420

      So it took a white woman to die for you to open your eyes a little bit & you thought philandos shooting was justified? What’s wrong with you

  • Jim Haberland

    There is absolutely NO reason for this shooting to have happened!!!!
    This is enough to make even me HATE Law Enforcement to no end.

    • Chuck C.

      That would be unfair and unfortunate. If you must hate, do so selectively and individually not collectively. The brave and decent practitioners of law enforcement are not well represented at all by Officer Noor. On that point, we may both agree.

      • Jim Haberland

        Hi Chuck,
        You are absolutely right. It’s not fair to judge so many because of the actions of a few.

        I just have to say that no matter how angry I get with the idiots that killed that woman for no reason, I do know better than taking out my anger on my local P. D. Or Sheriff’s Deputy. I just hope those involved get the Death penalty. It’s what they deserve.

        • Cozmo1138

          I hear you, Jim, but I don’t think that’s going to help. At any rate, Minnesota doesn’t have the death penalty.

          Don’t hate the cops. Most of them really ARE trying to make their communities safer for everyone. It’s a hard job…hard physically, mentally, and emotionally. Cops are still people, and unfortunately people make mistakes. In this case, a mistake (if you’re like me and hoping that the best case is that it was a negligent discharge and not an intentional pulling of the trigger) that cost an innocent woman her life. I totally believe that Officer Noor should be held responsible for his actions. But I really don’t think we need more death. I, for one, am growing weary of seeing “death” and “police” in the same headline.

  • Daryn

    I normally defend law enforcement, but this opinion piece is off by a mile. To say there is no cause or “action” to cause the cameras to be activated would be negated as soon as the officer removed his service weapon from its holster.

    THAT ALONE is reason for the cameras to be activated. Any time the safety snap on the holster is disconnected, the body cam should automatically activate if the cameras are not going to be recording the entire time the officer is on duty.

  • Bonnie Mendoza

    The officer who did the shooting has had problems before and is still under investigation for at least one other incident. Maybe it is ok not to have the cameras on in this case, but a woman in her pajamas talking to the other officer certainly does not seem to pose a threat of any kind. I do not hate cops, in fact I appreciate their service, but no one, not even the police can be right all the time and unfortunately for us all there are people in this line of work that just do not belong there. My stepfather was a Sheriff and a former boyfriend was in the State Police. There is no dislike of the officers that try and protect us, but the among them must be found and removed.

    • Cozmo1138

      I’m wholeheartedly with you in everything you’ve said. I also do not hate cops, and advocate for police wherever it seems like they’re being unfairly ganged up on (which is a lot). Unfortunately many people here interpret any sort of criticism of police as mindless liberalism and aren’t interested in hearing any opinion that runs even remotely contrary to theirs.

      With regards to Officer Noor, the Star Tribune (our local Minneapolis paper) reported that he’s actually got two open complaints against him, and that a third complaint has been closed. I’m sure a lot of people file complaints against officers because they just hate cops, but it strikes me as odd that an officer who has been on the beat for around a year (he joined and was assigned the 5th Precinct in 2015, and was officially assigned his beat in 2016) already has three complaints filed against him.

  • RogerK

    The MPD policy on body cameras apparently states
    “If a BWC [body-worn camera] is not activated prior to a use of force, it shall be activated as soon as it is safe to do so,”
    That apparently did not happen, and these particular cameras apparently have a 30 second loopback feature.

    I suspect given that this story has international legs the city is going to come under enormous pressure to require body cams to be on for all calls. Having cams but then having no video when it matters just screams cover-up.

    Granted this will almost certainly prove to be a terrible accident, but sometimes society does require people be held responsible for negligence.

  • Gracie’s Girl

    From what I have heard and understand is that she had just approached the car and there was a loud noise that startled the officers and he discharged his weapon and shot her in the stomach. If this is the case then it would be considered an accidental shooting but the officer should still have consequences for his actions. I would like to point out AGAIN that another white American was killed by police and i have not heard about any riots, looting, damage to property or fires. It sounds like exactly what it was….a tragic accident

  • Fubar

    1st question: Why did the 2nd officer (the shooter) fire his weapon MULTIPLE TIMES through the car door?
    2nd question: What was his partner, the driver, doing WHILE the 2nd was shooting several times right past him?
    3rd question: Where is the command staff’s statements? There should be something said by now!

  • Mobey Dick

    I don’t hate cops, I hate stupid people like you.

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  • quez420

    It’s sad that it took a white woman to die for some of you start to question some law enforcement

  • Bill Kelley

    WOW, after reading all the comments on here all I can say is WOW and no wonder things are the way they are.

  • Jetblakc

    Don’t be so damn thin skinned. You’re so used to your people deferring to authority that any scrutiny is perceived as “hatered”. It’s pathetic, and it’s a dangerous victim mindset for someone that is heavily armed and empowered to kill.

    Get a grip.